I submit proof that ELO hell can exist under a very specific set of circumstances. I am the most egregious gold smurf in the history of your game. And it was completely unintentional

They never deployed Warden for Overwatch, so their anti-cheat is the same as they are using for black ops. And it is overrun with cheats. A step above VAC maybe at this point? There at least 8 memory hooks active right now. They use it blatantly in widow hs only lobbies on a daily basis with no fear. I am starting to see them more and more on new accounts playing only widow or ashe, and those accounts are showing in matchmaking now where they use the same cheats to win ranked games while claiming to be a smurf. But none of them have any idea what they’re doing. they just have incredible aim, and the exact same mechanical flick that corrects for head shots. You can have full peeker’s advantage and you won’t even be able to get a shot off when they peek you. with a 40 ping and 4.0 sim. It’s undeniable.

I am mechanically avarage Ana player. Climbed from silver to plat. Do not have a perfect aim, but learned who to heal first, when to nano and who. When to do damage in between healing. Adjusted use of bionade… and i went from 1500 to 2500 over 3 seasons. So if yoi do not vlimb you just not good

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Of course. The team average is comprised of individual averages, but it must find equally skilled opponents to meet that average. This is the same in any ELO matchmaking system. Each player must have an equally skilled mirror, otherwise the one player with drastically more critical hit accuracy will dominate everyone else through sheer burst damage with 2x and 3x modifers on each shot (3x only for widow).

You can get GM’s in gold qp games if they never play QP, they will rocket out after a couple rounds, but the overall hero ranking is only determined by skill. Skill is determined by statistics. You guys think because you have gold comp ranking that all of your quickplay games are against golds. This has never been the case. If you have gold skill, then you will play gold opponents in QP. If you do not, and it surpasses gold players (you can look at their comp ranking to see, as SR is derived from MMR (your actual determined skill rating by the system) You are held hostage by SR from reaching that potential if outside elements prevent you from winning as many games as you would if the ecosystem had not have been messed with (ONLY single account holding gold players playing against other ACTUAL gold players ONLY) You have plats and diamonds, and sometimes masters and grandmasters on new accounts thrown in with actual gold players, they are going to get fing rolled, because it’s not a FAIR MATCH, but matchmaking believes that it IS because they obscure their actual skill from MMR to prevent climbing out.

If Shroud smurfs in matchmaking, he’s going to wreck everyone, and people who would win their games, will lose matches they would not have lost. If Shroud went out of his way to grief a specific set of players (silvers, etc) by queuing in to matchmaking on a daily basis with a silver ELO account, he would prevent a LOT of people from climbing the ladder. If he convinced a bunch of friends to do it too, he would upset the entire lower third of the ladder curve by introducing the kind of stats that he produces on average into ELO ranges where nobody can perform at that level, thereby making it impossible for the average player to meet the minimum required KDR, to even rank up.

Smurfs using Genji to destroy entire teams in low ELO, make it drastically more difficult for the Genji player that is supposed to be in that ELO to climb with PBSR because the smurf has elevated the performance bar out of reach for the average player in that ELO, the system thinks that they aren’t good enough when in reality it’s the high ELO player that has screwed with the entire system by inflating stats to levels that belong at the top of the ladder, not in GOLD.

If I was a GM PLAYER, I would easily climb out. I am not a GM player, I just have really good mechanical skill, the kind that does not belong, or is typically even seen in gold ELO because of my vast experience in the genre.

and one just plays a few more games or picks a more impact based role they will more then make up for a few cruddy games or other factors. If a person can’t stomp out golds, the lower 60% of the player base they honestly are not ready to move up in SR.

People really do spend way too much time laboring over match making and other strange issues that they think are keeping them in lower SR ranges. Play a few more games, learn a few more heroes, pick up better Overwatch tactics that work against lower SR players and a person climbs up.

Proof of this is how many players and fans of Jayne and his VOD review/educational stream stuff have climbed up in SR just from working on their game a bit more. They don’t vault up to GM over night or anything but a whole lot slog their way up and out of the metal ranks.

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I’m still waiting for the link to show where Blizzard said this.

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I think you are seriously overestimating the percentage of players who are genuinely smurfing, and their impact on average statistics.

Also, even if they do raise the average, it would not be enough to seriously hamper someone’s ability to climb. Take eliminations per 10 minutes as an example. Smurfs would have to raise that average to about 30 or more for the average player on that hero to be seriously impacted. That is nowhere near happening. In reality, we’re talking a few SR at most.

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Take a look at your omnic meta profile (can’t include the full url so paste the below after “.com” on omnicmeta):

/p/playerstats.html?username=Vyel-11922&platform=pc&m=1

You can see where you are among gold players for each of the heros your specialise in. Take Widowmaker. You have average damage output among gold widows. You’re slightly above the average gold player for elims/min and scoped crits - but not a big outlier. You’re in the top 4% for deaths, which is great, but given that you spend so much time alive and yet only have average damage output, does that tell you anything? To me it says you might be playing too safe.

Look at your tracer & mcree - two very mechanically intensive heros. For both you have below average elims, damage output and final blows among gold players. For both though you have slightly above average crits and time alive. It looks like you are playing too safe, avoiding death and going for mainly crits at the expense of actually going in and doing real damage. Nothing in your stats indicate you are a huge outlier among gold players mechanically.

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Do I look like Google to you? Jeff Kaplan said it, do your own research. The bar for mechanical skill gained form previous FPS titles, is SUPPOSED to be plat. And in plat, the healers know how to heal, and the tanks know how to tank everyone knows the basic way to do their job, and they have an understanding of making changes when things don’t work out. The tanks will swap, the healers will swap, the dps swaps. In gold, they blame DPS for everything, the healers don’t heal you, the tanks never push. You can spectate them and watch how bad their aim is, you can watch them walk down the street immediately after hearing the audio cue for walls and get shot in the head, and then blame the dps because you didn’t walk out and kill widow before they died.

The whole reason why my QP stats are so much better, is because I play with higher ELO players in QP games, i’m not getting tunneled so hard I can’t play the game - because even if you pop off, the smurfs have nothing to gain by hard focusing you, and the tanks are competent at getting in and causing chaos (which makes my shots easy).

My stats are worse in matchmaking because i’m just constantly pressured by multiple enemies, even the supports shoot at me when the red arrow start showing up in the kill feed (which makes my shots hard). I have died on more health packs than I can count while my absentee healer just leaves me after I went to go help them kill a flanker or a tank. They just ditch you. What is the counter play? I ignore my entire team and just frag everything I can before they come and kill me from high ground and hope it’s enough for my team to push an objective?

If I feel like if I can’t rely on my teammates to make smart basic fundamental decisions to improve our chances of winning the match, and I have to literally tell someone not to walk into a sniper’s sight line without cover, i’m not playing with equally skilled teammates. It’s painfully obvious to me. My teammates are noobs. through and through.

You make a claim then you provide evidence for that claim. I never seen Jeff Kaplan say that, and I’m not going to try and find evidence for something you made up.

Jeff also said he went into OW servers and hardlocked your account to gold. Google it.

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it’s in the realm of common knowledge. Your lack of understanding on how an ELO ladder works just shows your inexperience in the matter. And therefore you should stay in your lane.

BTW, your Hanzo critical hit accuracy is 3%. Mine is 12%. Back to your cave.

Claiming someone having made a specific statement is not “common knowledge.” Either they said it, or you made it up.

You’re the one that thinks time spent is correlated to skill.

And yet I’m still higher rank than you.

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Why not just play quickplay then? Comp is different. Blaming other things won’t help you because other players face the exact same things yet still manage to maintain performance stats needed to climb. If you want to climb just on mechanics you need to hard carry even when your team are bots and enemy have the advantages, otherwise you are at the correct rank.

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mechanical skill is just a quarter of the skill-set overwatch demands, you also have team work, game sense (ult and ability use, awareness and positioning of you, your team and the enemy) and the strategic part of hero choice, team compositions and so on

being bad at either one can lose you a game, no matter how good one of the others is

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I have been playing fps games since probably 2006. I am almost diamond rank. I played soldier and despite games where I wiped four or five members of the team we we’re losing fights.

The two things I realized while in gold we’re. Tanks often fail to create space and feed or poke at a choke. Two very stupid moves. Never rely on your healers. They won’t heal you as a dps in about 90 percent of your games.

I made the swap to Lucio countered game changing ultimates and used some minor capability of Reddit lucio to climb. Countering game winning ultimates turned out to be a much more valuable skill in this game then clicking heads.

Supports and tanks carry in overwatch. Not dps.

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So ive checked your game footage on twitch…
Oasis - Tracer
that was on you. You dragged down the team and you could have easily won that one if you switched off tracer and picked a support role. Your team carried you in that match.
You are able to keep yourself alive but that isnt a challange with tracer the way you play her. You don’t really secure any kills, just check the amount of times you faced the zen. And that aim didn appear to be on GM level.
Took you about 3 clips to not kill the zen… you are also spreading your damage all across opposing team instead of focusing (clipping) the backline healers like that zen, you would have added more value to that match by picking lucio and simply having your heal song up…

PS: I havent watched the other matches, just the tracer footage on oasis and that appears to be silver rank

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Congratulations for using a keyboard and mouse against controller users. Very honorable. Now back to getting trolled by every aimless pleb on the forum that thinks head-shots are a commonplace thing that anyone can do, at any time. Because they’re too dense to realize how many cheaters are in the game currently. Because overwatch is their first FPS and they think they know everything because they got carried to platinum by exploiting broken trash heroes that require zero skill to use. Because they CAN’T AIM.

Bro, I’m not talking trash I’m just being as honest as I can. I can tell by watching literally 15 seconds of this that you don’t know how to control a mouse. You do a decent job of keeping the crosshair on people once you get it there, but you look like your lugging heavy bricks with your mouse control. What rank are you saying you’re supposed to be in? Is this your first season in OW and you are transitioning from CSGO? If so that makes a lot more sense.

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You played 15 games this season as widow and got a total of 7 gold medals. Assuming that they were at least elims or damage still means that in most or even every game, with the same healers against the same opponents, someone else in your team popped off more and did better work than you. You talk alot about mechanics with nothing really to back it up. Heck I have very average mechanics and my McCree stats are better than yours in pretty much every single aspect and that is vs opponents 2 tiers above you.

But enough of that. With your experience and decent baseline mechanics you can probably climb up to plat quite quickly. However to do that you need to listen to what everyone here is trying to tell you and drop the “i am a god among men” act right now. Get some damn humility and focus on patching up your weaknesses (some of which some posters have been kind enough to point out already) and start to improve! I have faith in you and believe you can really do it.

At our age its not really that that suiting to make threads like this - leave that bs to the 14 year olds where their inflated egos come from hormones rather than self reflection.

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With the way you keep harping on mechanical skill, OW is obviously not for you.

Go back to CS.

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Whatttt lol she doesn’t even win most games with only her aim, she just lives and lives. YOU WON’T HEAR ANY CLICKETY CLACKS EITHER.

This isn’t her, but does this look like kbm to you?