Apart from basically monopolizing the OWL meta… he’s becoming increasingly annoying.
Bubble is by far the best shield in the game, it doesn’t break, and it lasts forever. Winston himself can very easily and quickly bail out of an engagement to the point that, atleast recently, it doesn’t really feel like there’s much risk for him engaging at all. His ult is another bail out.
He’s not great in low elo so I can see why they’d hold off from nerfing him, but… ugh, I really do hate him hahaha.
kind of thinking its always about the counters. his biggest counters are not played much and considered weak
roadhog
symmetra
reaper
those gyz make his life a living hell if all played on the opposite team at once. he tries to bully heroes that are divable so supports that would be good against him is brig and maybe moira who can run away. basically that team plus the supports fully counter him. rammatra and junkrat too
Winston is not an OWL must pick because he’s OP. He’s an OWL must pick because only like 4 DPS heroes are good in OWL and 3 of them are dive heroes: Tracer, Sombra, Genji.
Not to mention that only 2 supports are really good in OWL right now: Brig and Ana
What other tank would you play with that comp? You could play Dva sure but Winston just fits into it better.
Yes, he’s meta, but he’s not the reason the meta is the way it is, he just fits into it.
I really don’t think he’s OP idk…
He’s pretty bad in every rank of ladder, but dominates in OWL. Is it really fair to nerf him for the entire playerbase for the pro scene? It’s an awkward situation for everyone.
Bubble has the lowest hp of all the shields at 650, just slightly lower than Sigma’s at 700. The problem with bubble is that it just get’s ignored, despite being pretty easy to burn down. You see in higher elo’s that people will call in comms to ‘break bubble’ while many others just ignore it expecting to wait it out without realizing that a lot can happen in the 8 seconds it’s around.
Winston is a character that works really well with a team that is talking, and that’s exactly what OWL teams and higher elo’s do. They can coordinate and use his abilities effectively, but lower elo’s typically don’t talk to each other, make plans, or spend more time insulting each other then actually playing the game.
Winston targets are always support heroes. Supports have god awful DPS across the board. Most don’t even have >100 DPS. Which takes forever to burn bubble down. Its evne worse if its a dive meta because your forward tank is likely trying to look forward to kill enemy team and your DPS likely are playing sniper weak heroes or dive as well. The DPS side of things you really just need one DPS to go anti-winston like a torbjorn or reaper and you have more than enough to get work done. Though even then Reaper is like 200+ DPS and takes 3sec to burn a bubble. Has to go into 1.5sec reload animation, by this point Winston can just bail.
The problem is ever getting a DPS player to actually swap to a really bursty hero like Echo, Reaper, or Torb for most ranks. DPS players are rarely peel focused or defensive focused for their backline. Many prefer to pick stuff like Cass who Winston can just annihilate for not having any bulk or mobility.
well ig you can just always pick junkerqueen, shreds winton everytime i use her
Oh I dunno, one of the 2-3 other dive tanks in the game?
(Including but not limited to: The one we’ve spent 7 years being told is dive’s main/sole enabler)
Since when do heroes (almost?) outpick the rest of their role combined because it’s “Just their meta?”
(whilst apparently simultaneously not being the meta of any of the other tanks who do the same thing?)
Hell, how much do you want to bet that if one of said 2-3 other heroes had this sort of pickrate people would be demanding heads on platters?
His bubble needs massive nerfs to either health or cooldown. It is so oppressive when you get jumped on and literally cannot do anything because he weaves bubble
Edit: just thought i would go into practice range and see cus i dont play winston. Bro his bubble has a 12sec cooldown, lasts 8 seconds and the cooldown starts immediately. IT HAS A 4 SECOND DOWNTIME!!! No wonder it feels like he always has it
That trash needs giga nerfs. No way should he have a 650hp shield every 4 seconds
if I remember correctly, diving the peak dive era of ow1, winston and dva have a higher pickrate than even dive heroes like tracer and genji.
I’m 100% sure if all the current top dive dps disappeared, it gonna be pharah and echo as the substitute, or even sojourn (we already seen it).
Winston has always been the drive force behind dive, his ability to put a big bubble on top of the dive target is insanely strong. It affectively blocked the dive target from being peel by allies.
ps: I don’t mind dive being meta, it’s not like I see many people execute it well in the general ladder.
You must be confusing Winston and Rein.
And still, both their shields will break.
Because he can’t headshot. And he must dive.
Hope this helped.
And he doesnt need to aim and can hit multiple people simultaneously…
Not very often the Widow/Ashe is next to the rest of the team.
But he needs the fast shield because he has to be in the face of whatever he’s going for.
And again, no headshot bonus, that’s why he can tickle everyone (within about 8m?)
Literally every other aoe damage is better(as all but rein are attached to dps pretty much) and that aoe isn’t a problem, right?
basically if you play against winston you try and pick someone who cant be bullied much or who has big burst short range. i’ve found out plenty of times is that ashe and ana are really food for him as long with widow hehe. sombra is indifferent since you just run away but are not really a threat to him. same with pharah, he cant really dive her but shes not much of a threat to him either
so basically i would think hanzo, mccree, junkrat, reaper and symmetra as dps have that short range burstful window to make him run away if he tries to bully them. although symmetra has to ramp up
supports would be only brig i guess while mercy and moira is kind of indifferent since they have the tools to “get away” if he dives them
tanks like roadhog and rammatra can maybe bully him. dont know about junkerqueen and rein really is indifferent to him as well or can make him run away close range
Because he’s a wholesome meme hero that the community loves.
No, that’s seriously it.
But yeah I’ve been having very little fun when I play. Winston centric dive metas are always the least fun metas in the game to me.
I’ve been seeing a lot of Winston and Sombra recently, maybe inspired by OWL. But they do pretty well a lot of the time honestly.
Literally what is there to nerf. I really feel like people take the meta tank at any given point and look at it in a vacuum. Sure, sometimes they’re overtuned, but what’s being played right now? How does the meta tank interact with that? I mean, what changes has Winston even gotten since OW2’s launch that he’s suddenly overtuned—not long ago, people were clamoring for buffs.