I really hope there is no role queue in Overwatch 2

[DrDangerRuss-2439]

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@DrDangerRuss-2439

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Role que is needed for this community unfortunalty

222 isnt needed now, nor has it ever been needed

if it were needed, it wouldnt be possible for the hundreds or thousands of role-less queue matches that are being played as you read this and as I write this to be played at all

Given that 222 has been mathematically proven to be better balanced than i feel we can say it was needed to improve the quality of games.

two clarifications

1. it has already been established that it isnt needed, for reasons already provided, and that the word “need” is being confused for “want”, as in some players “want” 222 despite its excessive waits, unnecessary restrictions, stale metas, absence of flexing, and many other severe problems

2. though it has bee claimed multiple times, no such proof - mathematical or otherwise - has ever been provided as far as 222 having better balance.

@DrDangerRuss-2439

“Hundreds or thousands” of QPC games played per day is a small number for an online game, and as such can be considered insignificant.

actually, it isnt insignificant at all in the context of the item being discussed, which is whether 222 is “needed”. If even one game can be successfully run without 222, 222 isnt needed . On a related note, this is the sort of thing a professional game designer understands

1. nobody needs to play overwatch, therefore any direct want/need comparison is irrelevant.
2. here’s the unaddressed mathematical proof you claim does not exist:

@DrDangerRuss-2439

FIRST:
Ok, lemme explain it again with some intentionally exaggerated numbers. In an imaginary game with similarities to Overwatch, a tank has a shield with 120 health. His job is to protect his team by using his shield. In this game, DPS do 10DPS, healers and tanks do 2 DPS.

In a game where the tank plays solo against 4 healers and 2 tanks doing direct fire, the shield lasts for (2x6=12DPS. 120/12 = 10) 10 seconds.

That same tank vs 6 DPS, the shield lasts for (10x6 = 60. 120/60 = 2) 2 seconds. 2 seconds of uptime on the shield means that tank is far worse at its job.

So, to make that tank decent at his job, he needs to last 10 seconds vs 6 DPS right? So that means its shield will need to be (10sx60dps = 600) 600 health. But with that health value, it takes our first team (4 healers 2 tanks) (600hp/12dps = 50) 50 seconds to destroy the shield! Crazy! There’s no way that’s right…

So, we just pick the middle value for shield health, right? Cool, so lets go to 360 health - seems fair. 30s to burn down Vs one team, 6s vs the other. Not perfect, but nobody’s instagibbing the shield.

Cool, now lets put that tank on a team with 5 more tanks - (360 x 6 = 2160) 2160 health total. 180 seconds and 36 seconds. Now, that’s not right! Insanity! Lets slash that down to a sane number - 120 health? No, that didnt work. 600 health? No, that didnt work either. 360?! No, still wrong… Hmmm… PARADOX.

If that was 222? Well, they’ll have to deal with (10+10+2+2+2+2=28) 28 DPS. If we want 2 tanks to survive 10 seconds VS any comp? Well, that’s ((28dps x 10seconds)/2tanks) = 140health. Quickmaffs.

The same logic applies to healing, which compounds the issue even further.

Thus, 222 is mathmatically more balanced that OQ.

“Hundreds or thousands” of games of any type is a small number, and therefore can be regarded as insignificant". OQ may be wanted but not needed. You have also proven yourself unable to even describe what a professional game designer does.