2-2-2 won’t help. If it’s implemented the game will quickly become hyper stale, less dimensional as well as dynamic and will likely only increase the already abhorrent toxicity this game has always had a problem with.
If they put it in. I can’t wait to hear people crying about losing still in competitive because they didn’t realize that instead of band-aid solutions to their lack of skill; they opt for an idea that only hurts the game while also revealing they’re not good.
2-2-2 will make balance easier
2-2-2 will prevent having a bad comp like 3-4 dps while the enemy has a more balanced and way better comp
2-2-2 will prevent people being forced to pick roles they can’t play
You have actual cold hard facts stating that it won’t work? Any evidence showing that 2-2-2 among the players will only nosedive the game further? Proof of statistics? Win-Loose ratios?
No?
Ok then.
Let 2-2-2 be implemented first and THEN talk once we see the facts.
How do you know these things will improve after it is implemented? Your statement works both ways, man. That’s like saying:
“We must pass the bill before we see what’s in it.”
/??? meme
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I agree with OP. People are a little bit delusional in thinking it will improve a lot of the things people have issue with.
People are still going to get upset at DPS for “not killing” things whey they pick a Mei + Sombra combo, for example. Tanks are still going to be crapped on for “not picking a shield tank.” Supports are still going to be told to switch when they decide to play “off-healers.”
It is going to be worse, IMO. Right now, anyone on the team can switch it up. If forced 2-2-2 comes into play, you’re playing your only role and that’s it. Goodluck if the other players on your team are not pulling their weight.
No1 wants 2 2 2 so they stop losing, i mainly want it personally so i dont have to put up with stubborn dps players ruining games for every1 else so often. The fact u think its about lack of skill and gettin ez wins shows how ignorant you are.
I was playing competitive on my alt account last night. Ran about 8 games, 7 of which included at least 3 DPS on my team. I don’t care about winning games, I don’t care about climbing, I just want to play a few games of Overwatch where I’m not tearing my hair out because people refuse to put forth the base amount of effort to work together.
The playerbase has been given the opportunity to put on their big boy pants and work together for nearly 3 years now and we have overwhelmingly shown that we’re incapable of it. 2-2-2 is long overdue, and I question whether or not we’re playing the same game when I see posts like these.
I’m fully expecting that much like WoW and 5-man challenge/dungeons, the true geeks amongst us will math this issue to the point where there will be the “ideal” 2/2/2 comp make up i.e. 2/2/2 won’t fix the current meta, but just usher in a new one (and people deviating from that will be targeted for toxicity, etc.).
Now, please note that this assumption is based on my experience in WoW (another long-running Blizz game with class-based roles), which means it’s just an opinion (take it for what you will).
I’m just sick of teams winning by comp alone. Either force both sides to have the same comp, or make it so certain comps don’t have a win advantage.
In a 3 role game any sensible 3 role comp like 141 or 123 should be just as viable as any other. But currently balanced ‘meta’ comps like 222 or 33 give you a large win advantage just on comp alone to the point where the off meta would have to perform exceptionally just to equalise.
Nobody thinks that. They just think it’ll make climbing somewhat more tolerable.
Anyone who thinks 2-2-2 is the Silver Bullet to solve all of the games issues is fooling themselves.
Or how good you are. Who knows, maybe those salty plat players truly are being held back by their team?
If 2-2-2 is forced, a meta WILL evolve. That’s inevitable. But it’s not really the point of 2-2-2.
Preventing a meta from being entrenched and making the game stale is the domain of systems like Hero Bans, not Role Queue.
Role Queue’s purpose is to allow Blizzard to better balance hybrid heroes and prevent people from creating comps that completely nullify their weaknesses, as well as provide structure in the ladder since the playerbase as a whole didn’t really embrace flexing like they envisioned and instead chose to specialize to improve themselves.
Sure, it, by itself, won’t solve issues, but it gives structure to the game that allows balance decisions to be made easier and with more consistent assumptions.
The biggest example is Brig. Currently, a relatively weak healer in a 2/2/2 comp, but she can’t get buffed due to the existence and dominance of 3/3. The forced 2/2/2 would give them a little more leeway to balance her since they wouldn’t have to account for off the wall support comps, and would just be limited to the classic 2 Supports.
The same logic applied to hero limits when they put it in. They couldn’t balance the Dva that well if they allowed 6 of them at once, so they simple didn’t allow it anymore.
I do sorta agree with your other points though. I wouldn’t say hypocritical, but yea, a lot of people would be proven wrong if they think they’ll magically start climbing under the new system.
No one is directly saying that you’re right. However they do say that a not balanced group means a bad game and I don’t know about you but most of the time I hear people saying it was a bad game is when they lose. So indirectly they’re agreeing that a forced balanced team is the way to get more wins.
It isn’t often that people say their games were bad or ruined when they won. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen but lets not pretend that is the main reason why those words were being used.
Games are usually ruined or bad when people lose and they’re losing because the other team had a tank/healer and they didn’t, which means 2-2-2 will stop this.
So yes, people are saying 2-2-2 means they’ll win more, they’re just not saying it directly.
