You can aim easier using your whole wrist using mouse than an analog stick…thats not higher skill thats just…no handicap.
You cant compare one against the other since they dont use the same aiming methods…so idk where people can full on say pc takes more…skill?
it just does okay. always remember console gm = pc plat
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The ceiling goes way up with kbm. Most people are gonna plateau with a controller, there’s kinda a general limit on how good you can actually be. Is that harder compared to kbm? Not really, it’s just different as you suggested.
Though a player with a kbm has an opportunity to break into an entire new level of mechanical skill than a controller ever could, therego “more difficult to master” or however you wanna say it…“more difficult in respect to your competition”.
Console player here, so I’m not some pcmasterace jaggon.
I guess its just a perspective thing…id have way more respect for flickshots on controller than flickshot point and click with a mouse.
because controllers are stuck on a certain speed with aim assist which doesn’t take long to get used to
while on pc you must control everything manually making it harder to aim but rewards you more when you’re good at it
“Higher skill” isn’t the best way to put it, but PC is on a completely different level of play from console. Not only do PC players have better (effective) mechanical skills, but they also have the non-mechanical skills needed to play against those mechanical skills.
Edit: meant to reply to OP oops
You dont necessarily need aim assist to be good. Thats just a pc thought. If anything that messes you up more atleast before the patch came out if there was a few enemies together.
But it’s so much easier to aim in the first place on pc, i’m sure even with aim assist console players have less accuracy.
They have “better” mechanical skills bc of the ease of use of a mouse.
A controller user can use mkb and be as good. I dont see mkb users go to controllers and be as good. Atleast not as often as id prefer to see to debunk this skill thing.
everyone uses the same controllers, even if you have less accuracy compared to pc it doesn’t matter you just need to be better than other console players
controller againts controller isn’t much skill involved compared to mouse againts mouse
I find first person shooters to be…less immersive playing with mkb. Its just point and click. Using a controller is so much more…intricate. Like the way you place your fingers over certain buttons or how you handle the bumpers and triggers. Ive seen a few styles. Unlike on pc where the only difference is the degree at which your keyboard is tilted…and maybe how you flickshot with your wrist or if you move your whole arm.
i have played on console for like 10 years and pc around 3 years
console is not very competitive on fps*, its essentially boils down to who got the fastest reaction
Mouse provides higher precision which makes the skill ceiling higher, and therefore the skill of higher ranked M+KB players is going to be higher than controller.
Is that not what skill is…or what the pc people call “mechanical skill”
Mechanical skill is an entire category comprised of how well you can mechanically control your character. This includes your ability to move/dodge, timing jumps, accuracy, reaction time, etc.
It doesn’t.
‘Higher skill’ is achieved by training and facing stronger competition irregardless of player equipment efficiency. I’m not in the NHL now and i couldn’t make it even if wooden hockey sticks were still everyone’s ‘input device’.
No but essentially what this is is nhl using hockey sticks vs pool noodles.
So im sure you could be a great nhl player if everyone else used a different input device like that noodle while you have a normal nhl hockey stick.
If you spent your entire life playing pool noodle hockey, the NHL players with real hockey sticks are still more skilled than you. Moving from a pool noodle to a hockey stick will probably make you better, but the NHL players will still be better.
Thats if you started off as pool noodle.
Nhl thats always used a stick wont be useful if you have him play with a noodle. If you have someone that started with a noodle and upgraded him he should do way better. Thats what i meant earlier. Control to mouse the person will be good. Mouse to controller they will have a very hard time…sooo which really takes “more” skill?
I think you’re conflating the idea of “which thing requires more skill to pull off the same feat” versus “which thing is more skillful”
Someone who can play hockey as effectively as someone with a hockey stick would likely be considered more skilled because they’re performing the same accomplishment with something more difficult.
But that’s not what is meant by the Mouse vs controller debate. The mouse, being a device of precision, unlocks the skill ceiling to go far beyond what is physically capable with a controller. If someone with a controller and no aim assist can regularly outperform someone using a mouse, I would call the controller player more skilled. But the fact of the matter is all the most skilled mouse players will literally wipe the floor with players who use controllers, because they simply cannot get the same level of precision and movement. It’s a physical impossibility based on a hardware limitation. The result is that mouse users have a higher skill ceiling, and thus can become more skilled players.