I get that Widowmaker is super strong when used correctly, but the Devs seem to be actively making it impossible to play her, want to play her, or even learn her.
Every single season they seem to be nerfing her, buffing her counters, or releasing/redesigning maps to make it impossible to play her.
Imagine trying to learn Widow as a new player and every single map has zero sightlines, she falls apart from the smallest of dives, and has no mobility to escape.
No wonder every single Widowmaker I meet ingame switches the moment they are killed. The Character is impossible to play or even want to play.
If you ask me honestly what I think would improve Widow and make her playable again: 250 health. Thats it.
I don’t need more mobility, range, or sightlines. I need to be able to have a second to breathe while getting dove. Widow dies so fast that even while on Comms, my supports can’t save me.
she is probably the hardest hero to learn in that regard but i still think tracer has more of a skill ceiling and floor than widowmaker.
i still do well with widow and win games with her…IF there isnt a sombra lol. i have won games with sombra around too but they either had to be kept in check somehow or a new player
Exactly, don’t get me wrong. I have won plenty of games as Widow, but the moment Sombra appears I can’t play (unless she’s bad).
It just gets more and more aggravating to watch the Devs change everyone else, redesign every map to make it easier for them to play, and then leave Widow with like 20 counters and 0 sightlines.
And now they are talking about reworking the 3 maps she can still be played on.
yea i think they are phasing her out sort of. instead of deleting her they probably will just ignore her. also i think at the highest levels she is still the best hero if circumstances permit it and crack aim. any hero who can do a precise 300 damage is still good. king of burst but yea you better hit ALL your shots in order to be the best
guess thats her novelty and yea be super aware of A LOT of counters especially in dive season.
winrate and pickrate aint too bad in GM i bet lol and the leaderboards have tons of widows… maybe most are hackers who knows heh
they would have to do a total rework if they want her to be accessible to high and low ranks. probably more of an ashe 2.0 or something. would lose the one shot but be more of a generalist like soldier. still thats a loss of identity i guess
Yeah, I’m not a fan of reworking her because too much of her identity is wrapped in that One-shot ability. It would be like removing the dash reset from Genji.
Thats why I suggested just give her the normal global health. I don’t see a reason why she should have less than Kiriko.
nah that wont work out. would make her more op in the highest ranks
only buff to widow that would make sense would be an indirect buff. the gutting of sombra
i would hate that kind of tho since i play sombra as well and im enjoying having a cheat code right now lol. especially at my ranking. still be nice to breathe easier as widow
i think it was perfect right before the sombra rework and widow was kept in check with stricter range falloff, 175 health and yea the aim hitboxes wernt buffed as they are now
sombra wasnt played as much but widow wasnt owning it up compred to some heroes on the leader boards… then they go and give sombra a virus heh
If the devs hate widow, then the loath symettra from the pits of hell.
Joking aside widow does not need more health as long as she keeps her 1 shot.
1 shots on primary are far to powerfull, meaning the hero needs weakness to drag them down, one is her health, Buffing her health has never gone well in the past as its one of the few things keeping her from being OP 24/7
Widow has by far the highest skill floor, it isn’t even close. This is before accounting for the fact that a single headshot = instant Sombra pick that is on you every two seconds. Getting decent value with Tracer will happen far quicker.
I understand the hesitancy to buff the health because she has the OP oneshot, but I argue that its too much of a nerf because she can barely survive dive.
Widow had the range nerf so realistically Widow now has to play close and to her team, but her health is so low and she is such an easy target that if I stand near the tank, the enemy tank burns me down. If I stand near the supports, the enemy DPS and still kill me.
I have had Sombras, Genji’s, and Tracers walk directly into my entire team, kill me, and then leave.
Her range nerf is was prevents her from being OP not the Health.
If she could survive dive what is her “weakness” or downside?
It would be like giving zen a mobility, his weakness/downside is his lack of mobility.
first off do you know how few situation that nerf actually effected? There are so few maps where you are shooting more the 50m, it was a very few situation/spots that nerf actually changed.
Second it also got a buff, after the nerf, from 40-60 to 50-70 meters.
Excluding heroes that have 0 falloff, she outranges everyone, she does not
Since widow plays so far outside almost every heroes range, she needs a negitive.
Also
Why are you standing next to your tank? Widow should not be at the front lines at all, she can 1 shot people 50m away (it actually farther i think its ~55m for a 200 health target cant remember the exscat number)
Why on earth are you that close to a fight? Most heroes with fall off have ~20-40m ranges, why are you playing that close?
Widowmaker is hard to play as she should be. Snipers are typically and deservedly the hardest characters to play in these kind of games, they aren’t designed for new players.
I should clarify that I meant while being healed by the Supports. I understand that Dive is Widow’s counter just like Zen.
This is a compensation buff for the Overall health changes. She actually had her range nerfed and so they gave back her old range. Nothing has actually changed range wise from Season 8 and Season 9.
Because I die from dive even while being healed by my Supports. I thought I made this clear.
Widow has to play close to give her supports, other DPS, and tank a chance to save her because her health is so low. If she had better mobility you wouldn’t need to, but that would make her too strong.
So we can’t buff her mobility, we can’t buff her range, and we can’t buff her health. I said above that I am trying to buff her health so that I won’t have to change other characters to make her viable
And that is how is suspost to work, If widow even with the help of support healing, is not vunrable to dive, you will create issues.
We have seen in the past what extra health does to widow, we have past experience showing that its not a good idea.
Widow is a glass cannon, as long as she can 1 shot people with primary she will need to have big weaknesses.
If you buff her health she would need something else to make her weak, like a massive nerf to her hook, or a even bigger range nerf, ect.
Take a look at Sym, a few patches ago they nerfed her from 225 to 200 because “she is poking alot more now”
Widow plays even further back then Sym, so why would the devs give more health?
More health is typically for heroes that play close, widow does not play close, so widow will almost never get a health buff unless something major happens to her
