Nah I climbed from silver to high plat in a couple seasons. Played zarya rein mainly but played a bunch of different characters… tank is one of the most tactically and co ordination based roles so it’s always be gonna be hard to solo q but it’s possible
Small changes that happen every 2 months have very little effect on the game. Agreed. Small changes over 8 months definitely change the game.
When 8 months becomes 2 months, those collective changes make a big difference.
What evidence supports this, though? It sounds like design dogma. Smaller intervals of smaller changes are not more likely to exceed the tipping point than drastic ones are.
If the game was ‘pretty balanced’ then why nerf the heroes?
Having a meta doesn’t mean the game can’t be balanced the best it can…
Perfect balancing is impossible for this game but that doesn’t excuse the team for their horrid balancing decisions
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Did you read the other part where I said some characters were a lot better so the changes were needed or…
Good luck with that…we haven’t really seen that at like any point in games history…there’s always a meta,…pre and post OWL
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Balancing the best they can doesn’t produce strong results though. They’ve been doing this for the past 4 years. Gradual and careful changes would still induce power creep and has left us in the same meta for over a year TWICE now.
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The lower HP makes it harder to get in and keep inspire up. The risk / reward got hit twice. Inpire was pretty strong so they nerfed it…ok… but then they reduce her HP making it way more risky to play aggressive and keep the inspire up. Less reward for more risk. Typically when you increase the risk, the reward should be greater. Like with Genji for example, he has to dash into the enemy team to get value and that is risky so the reward should be strong damage. The equivalent to the Brig changes in Genji terminology would be that they took away dash reset and lowered his damage. More risk, less reward.
I dont think the meta right now is really rock paper scissors and they are basically moving away from it entirely with picking who can feel viable or not viable. I have one shot combo killed many brigs tonight. Shes a freaking plushy. My friends stopped playing her now also. Ow has a delicate balance and just deleting heros from viability needs to stop. Brig is getting destroyed out there in 1-2 hits like nothing. Less tanks are picking shields because it takes 3-4 hits to destroy. Thats not fun either for players that like those characters.
If they want to swap metas in owl they should let owl pick/ban. But the regular playerbase should not be subjected to forced owl meta changes from blizz
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I get it I get it. Don’t think brig should’ve ever been in the game but dive was soooo strong
And that’s the problem Rein Zarya are the only real viable options.
When you nerf the other tanks to the ground you lock lower rank players even more into less choice.
Nobody is saying ranking up should be easy but why dose they make it be less fun and more of a chore every patch.
There is a reason the tank player base is so tiny and this will only make it worse.
The team has frequently stated that they test a lot of different possible solutions to balance internally before pushing anything live. One example was when the issue of reduced healing was brought up, and it was mentioned that it did not go well internally.
My point, if you will set aside your reflexive disagreement, is that the last 2-3 years have clearly shown that whatever they are doing internally is not effectively simulating the real-world game.
Whatever they are doing or whoever they have testing things internally, they clearly DO NOT play the game the same as the playerbase does. If that is true, that means any data or results they get from this internal testing is not very relevant or useful.
I have a very strong suspicion that this is the source of a lot of the issues the team has had with balancing the game.
YOU CAN PLAY ANY CHARACTER TO PLAT DIAMOND. You can play hog you can play dva. Zarya is just a fun character and you can solo carry
Yes that is true, and that is why they’re starting to push more things out to the Experimental Card so that the people that actually play the game can voice their opinions.
Hence why Moira test pt. 1 didn’t hit live and why Moira test pt. 2 didn’t hit live.
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FAIR but i think this is still a good step my hope is that for the pst 4 years we’ve had slow updates bc of ow2 so we’ll get more frequent patches with the release
Yes I did but if some heroes are better then others then the game is not ‘pretty balanced’.
Like I said, I’m all for aggressive changes as long they are smart in which these are not.
Have you thought on why double shield was meta twice?
With the amount of damage coming in it’s better to stack resources. Why run one shield when you can run two?
Yet, let’s nerf tanks and supports which can further push the need for double shields.
I know, I was just merely saying for there to be a diverse meta rock, paper, scissors needs to be enforced with how metas works but that ship has long since past and this team clearly doesn’t want to go back there with there ‘fps mentality’.
Like I said ow2 hasn’t been said to have massive meta updates so I’m expecting the power creep to be adressed there. For now just changing the meta every so often is nice
except it hasn’t been
GOATs was meta for over a year, and so was Double Shield. That was what I was referring to.
See that’s your problem no I can’t that the excet attitude i’m talking about.
You make it sound so easy just because you can doesn’t make everyone able to.
I will problal stay at my rank and i will keep trying to climb but in the meantime playing other tanks beside rein or zarya end up in lose most times.
And you keep ignoring the fact that the tank player base is super low and that’s because most tanks are not fun to play!
Sigma feels real bad to play now in lower ranks and orise is literally a throw pick.
But go on keep the idea let’s keep nerfing tanks to the ground so top level players can kill stuff faster and make it more flashy.
You’re in your rank because that’s where you belong.
Not because a character is ‘bad’ in your eyes.
People are 1-tricking these heroes all the way up in GM and top 500. A character being off-meta or underpowered is not an excuse.
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I don’t think you understand the point here. There will always be tank pairings( rein zarya) that are optimal for solo Qing and low ranks however. You can climb with any hero. Sigma will always be good with another tank he can never MT that was never his purpose. Orisa changes like I said maybe should’ve been different but changes were needed. Hog dva Winston sigma are all still viable plus rein zarya is also viable so I don’t get your point. Tank player base is low bc most people want to play dps and find tank boring which is ok. If you can’t climb most of the time it’s on you in lower ranks