Because then tank gaps won’t be as bad. Not only that, but counterswapping will be nullified and rely solely on skill.
Oh, and let’s not forget that 2-2-2 was what the Jeff Kaplan team originally decided on because it’s what felt best and everyone liked the most. It was more fun.
Shame that literally everything unique about Overwatch was removed over a stupid attempt to fit into the norm when their niche is what made them better. This isn’t and never was Overwatch “2”. If it was, we’d have everything they’d promised by now.
Tanks gaps still exist. Synergistic tanks will roll over teams that don’t play a synergistic main tank - off tank style. Map advantages will still be important. Counterswapping will be less impactful but it will definitely still be powerful and useful. Counterswapping is baked into OW be it 5v5 or 6v6. Always has been.
Not true at all. They originally designed Open Queue 6v6 with no hero limits. Then they added hero limits not too long after. They resisted role lock 2-2-2 for years until the GOATs meta remained dominant for a long time. But only after trying everything else like gigabuffing dps. 2-2-2 was a last resort solution in response to the cries of dps players who wanted to be able to play their role at high level without throwing.
This is about the role queue that eventually came along, not open queue. I know it existed, but that isn’t what I’m talking about.
Jeff Kaplan and the team did tests on the game to see what would be the most fun. Tanks who played solo more often than not disliked the intense responsibility and/or felt stressed, a smaller percentage liked the spotlight. They designed it so that the tanks had a buddy because that is what the majority of the testers thought felt the best.
(I’d have to find the forum post he made about it, but… it’d be a lot of digging.)
Jeff Kaplan himself even said something along the lines of “everyone gets a buddy so that if someone is having an off day, it’s not all that bad.”
I mean, tank gaps did exist even in 6v6. After all, the “main tank diff” was an OW1 thing.
However, tank diffs were just less egregious in 6v6 because the roles were closer in power to each other. Meaning, not just a tank was capable of picking up slack — players in the other roles could as well. Now solo tanks are so powerful that whoever loses their tank first will lose the engagement 9 times out of 10.
Of course, double-shield threw a wrench in the power balance. If only the devs had been around to actually surgically fix the issue. We’d be having a grand old time!
Yes, exactly. I know it wasn’t as stupidly intense but I- am over exaggerating when I say that it didn’t exist.
It was more based on skill than 5v5 ever will be. 5v5 is only about ‘who swaps to counter first’ and then from there it’s just- counterwatch. Like… it’s so boring.
Where’s the respect of the D.Va duel - swapping to Zarya or Orisa just because you’re not doing as well as the other one? Bad. That’s not fun. That’s the “I’m only playing this to win” mentality, which Overwatch wasn’t as toxic about.
It won’t as it’s always been in the game…even in 6v6 you can force people to change their heroes
The first few tests probably won’t be in 6v6….in fact based on their comments about how the major issue for them right now is performance, I don’t expect we will get any tests involve 12 players til like a year from now
Yes and my cat will get 10 years younger, I will win the lottery, and everything else that is good in the world will happen because of a 6v6 mode.
So ignoring the FAR longer queue times that the mode will have (hopefully people will have a 2nd game to play while waiting for a game of OW), the balance state has ALWAYS been one of two things: either you counter pick the opponent or you go the meta. If you are saying it wont be counterwatch then it will be “go one of the 3 meta tanks, 4 meta DPS, or 3 meta Supports or you lose the game”.
You can argue it will magically be something else but we have 6v6 for 6 years and we never had a balance state that was not either “go meta or lose” or “counterwatch” so to argue anything else does not have precedent.
Finally when people want to deify Jeff and act like every decision he made must be correct, remember that Jeff thought that a 3 year content drought was just fine for the game. The reason you know this is because it is not the first project he has lead that had a massive content drought at the end of its lifecycle as he did the EXACT same thing when he ran WoW.
I’ve never understood the adoration. He didn’t seem like a good fit for designing a shooter, and I thought his dev blog talk things people praise were very weak.
? I don’t deify Jeff Kaplan, I just know he was the smarter person on the team and is definitely way smarter than the people who are controlling the reigns now.
They actually cared back then, they actually had people moderating the reports. Explain how else I was only given a grand total of one action back in OW1 and suddenly now that the report system is abuseable and not moderated by actual living people that I’ve been given way more than that.
It’s because the old team was better. The new team is lazy.
Overwatch’s 6v6 was by far less counterswap than it is now. It’s ridiculous how much it relies on swapping now because it’s so swap or lose that it’s bad. I’m not talking about the content drought, that sucked. I’m talking about the gameplay.
6v6 will bring back diversity and more skill in games.
What’s so wrong about wanting 6v6 along with 5v5? It doesn’t need to replace it, it just needs to be an option. They never should’ve removed it in the first place. They just should’ve added 5v5.
Great, I can’t wait to be playing Tank as best as I possibly can for it to all be washed down the drain by a co-tank not pulling their weight. That will be so fun! /s
