I think this game might be the only game that has made me feel like I might be mentally handicap cause it doesnt matter who tells me what I need to do to improve I still lose regardless and continue to derank. Not counting leavers (idk why you lose progress over the actions of someone else) I just cant seem to learn my lessons and improve on my mistakes.
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If you are aware of your mistakes, you are already improving more than most players.
Others will sit here and blame every system, both actual and made up systems, rather than pay attention to their mistakes.
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Iâve been plat since Season 1 OW 1. Youâd think by now with hundreds of hours played Iâd be a better player? No plat all roles, no climbing no deranking always mid plat forever regardless how well my mechanics, positioning, awareness, game sense and timing improve, plat 3.
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Thereâs no improvement anywhere if I know whay my mistakes are and Iâm unable to stop doing them
It is okay to not be good at a videogame. I am not good at it either (I donât have the time and patience to dedicate myself to climbing).
But you are in plat, which means you are already above average, if that makes you feel any better.
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This is the basis of the entire ranked system, not just leavers. Your rank is directly based off your wins and losses. Given a balanced match (a rarity these days), youâre only ever going to be able to directly effect 20% of that, unless youâre able to play well above your team mates and opponents skill level.
The biggest issue this game has imo is they use a w/l ranking system for 1v1, and apply it directly to a team, which for most people changes every game. It makes the skill distribution across the ranks very random, which in turn makes the games random, often stomp or be stomped, which in turn makes skill distribution even more random and so on.
It doesnât take very long to deteriorate either, as seen in the latest rank âresetâ. You would expect it start bad and get better, but in fact the opposite has happened. It started better and got worse.
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Most of this is just wrong; rank should always be decided by wins and losses (performance based SR is a fallacy and flawed) because ultimately there is no better indicator of how much of a team player someone is by how much they help teams to win.
The rank reset did not start well and get worse. The start was a disgusting mess of GMs in Diamond (a few are even still there, most are now back to master and above) and now the games are slowly becoming more consistent but people are still not âwhere they are supposed to beâ and this causes many problems from clash of styles to toxicity.
Give us examples of the mistakes and when you find yourself unable to stop doing these things. Preferably with replay codes because it would really help.
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BWMHRZ
Played the best I could here and like I said I know the mistakes Iâm making like staying in one place for too long or poor positioning or not getting picks fast enough and its consistent mistakes that I cant improve upon no matter how many hours I play.
Thanks, Iâll have a look now.
If you know the mistakes, why:
Do you feel you canât improve them? So during this replay Iâm about to watch can you give me an example or two of a mistake you felt you made, and what was going through your head at the time?
On a related note, do you feel youâre emotional when you play? What do you feel and think whilst playing?
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Okay Iâve now watched the replay once with pausing for notes and have a few points, waiting on your response first though. 
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As employee of the month, I am interested in seeing your thoughts
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We can only go on our own experience and mine is that it started off better (than last season) and has gradually got worse, to the point now itâs pretty much the same as it was before; most matches being lopsided stomps with the occasional good game here and there.
I couldnât stand role queue anymore so given up on that completely. And I can only find fun in the game playing solo, voice and text off, donât look at the score board and pretend itâs a single player game and my team are AI. Quite the failure for a game which is supposed to be about teamwork. Maybe itâs different with a pre-made group, but they removed LFG and all my OW1 friends are long gone, so I wouldnât know.
This is exactly it, this style of ranking ONLY works if teams are preset(the same stack) every game in the ladder. YOU CANT HAVE RANDOM TEAMS and Just count wins / lossesâŚ. It leads to a mimosh of rankings that make no sense and have no actual relation to skill. A solo Q has less then 15% effect in game , Stats HAVE TO BE TAKEN IN ACCOUNT with such randomness
I feel the same way. Improvement can be really slow. Consistent frequent play helps you remember what to avoid. I was hard stuck plat for a long time but I got to diamond despite this. I will say my problem was more so not knowing what mistakes I was making consistently.
If the ranking system were anywhere near accurate, you wouldnât be getting punished as much. Mistakes are common, but for you to be losing every match because of mistakes, that means the matchmaker is consistently putting you with people who are making less. Realistically in a similar bracket, it should be closer and shouldnât feel as bad because everyone is bad.
The two are not mutually exclusive. People have been improving for years, blaming only themselves and focusing on getting better. And they have.
And yet the system will place them bronze5 on support while their placements were DPS. Theyâll be told there is a reset when there was ZERO reset. Theyâre noticing these bugs, the frequency they get corrupt matches, and the lack of reasoning for having the system the way it is.
The gaslighting and misdirect needs to end.
Small minds think questioning == blaming.
The biggest brains are going to question the ecosystem theyâre being held accountable to perform in. They wonât take the design for granted and they wonât illogically decouple their own hidden score from that environment. There are just too many hidden variables to NOT question the system, at least for the lack of transparency in and of itself.
They said there would be a rank reset. There was a rank reset.
If youâre bronze 5 before the reset. Youâll likely be bronze 5 after, as thatâs your skill level.
Youâve just proved you have no idea how a reset works.
Reset clears the history and data. The first placement or two post-reset will âpredictâ your skill level somewhere in the middle of the ranks. If it is predicting you near some extreme value, having you play with/against the same people as before with no remixing, then there was no reset.
See me after class for more help with your math assignment.
They reset ranks. As they said they would.
They never mentioned MMR. So MMR wasnât reset.
So, youâll do placements and end up roughly where you were before. As many predicted.
As always with blizzard, they are bad with the semantics. Your placements werenât âpredictingâ your rank. They already knew, because you know ⌠MMR.
It was a fake reset. An actual lie to the playerbase.
We took numerous screenshots on first few days of S9 and capture a lot of streamer content. Bronze5 predicted bronze5 with one placement won, which is not possible if either MMR was reset or SR was reset. Plat4 going right back to Plat4. Streamers fighting the same streamers within 1 placement â no elo hell to grind out of and no new contestants mixed into their lobbies.
SR follows MMR, so if you donât reset MMR you havenât properly reset SR.
For accounts with ranks outside of the median, same prediction after 1 placement means the SR wasnât reset, or the MMR, or both.
Zero reason for MMR to exist in a fairplay system. You rank and reward what you ship around, which should be SR based on win/loss in a team game.