I am dogwater low in ranking. But the issue is, I am a decent player. But I cannot climb out of silver. I won 5-1 and I got to silver 5. My next games went 5-5 in which one of them I literally had players sit and do nothing intentionally throwing the game. Not one or two, everyone on my team. I reported everyone but I doubt anything will happen. After finishing 5-5 I went from Silver 5 to Silver 5… If all it cares is winning the game, I cannot manifest a team out of nothing when there is none, I cannot carry as support. especially since some of the enemies are stacks of players that have some understanding of a good comp.
And on top of all that… My first game, MY FIRST GAME IN COMPTETIIVE. I had the most toxic duo in the world. After they saw my Icon, I got told to kill myself, I got told my parents should die for giving birth to me, I got threats towards my mother, myself. I got called slurs. I got piled on for the entirety of the game. I am not willing to go through that, and struggle to climb out of silver, where the voice coms are actually used for anything but slurs.
I’ve not seen a more toxic and frustrating competitive system than this one, which is ironic if you know why they made this system. I’ve played league of legends, I’ve played valorant, etc. ,etc. Not a single system has been more frustrating and harder to climb in.
The devs removed performance based SR on the premise that if you play enough matches and are consistently winning you should climb to your rank. The problem is you need an immense number of matches to account for all the throwers, Smurfs, cheaters, and people who play multiple heroes but have yet to master a single one.
The Glicko system and other similar ranking systems were built for 1v1 and Overwatch is a complex team-based game, so obviously you can’t properly calibrate a player’s rank based on match outcomes alone. It can work over time if all players played the game religiously, but it just doesn’t happen because the game isn’t fun enough for people to do that, not to mention it is not at all rewarding.
All this means Ranked in Overwatch is just a high stakes no reward game mode where you only get properly calibrated if you play Overwatch for a living. Ranks are mostly invisible despite the decision to hide them having no effect on “reducing toxicity” just like the automated report system is not the best way to do that. For the vast majority of ranked players their rank is mostly based on luck and less on their actual skill.
It looks like you’ve just started playing the game. So lets break some things down.
First thing is first. You have played 5-7 hours of comp and already you already believe you’re decent. 5-7 hours is nothing. Chill with the ego. A lot of players think they are way better than they actually are which prevents them from improving thus climbing. Accept you need to improve and focus on that. Don’t stress about the end result of your matches. Just improve.
While overwatch is a team game, in order to climb you need to be able to either hard carry or soft carry your teams. You aren’t always going to win games even if you do, but this is about CHANCES not guarantees. Find ways to improve your chances of winning. Think outside the box a bit. If you are good you’re chances of winning will go up and over hundreds of games your rank will reflect that. 10, 30, or even 100 games means nothing.
You can carry as any character in this game. Period. Some characters because of their design will be harder to do so and take a lot longer, but it can and HAS been done all the way to GM 1/top500. If you are stuck at your rank - it is a skill issue. End of story.
Every single rank has throwers, leavers, one tricks, cheaters, smurfs and terrible players who you wonder how they made it to your rank, but unless you play like a few games a season, they don’t matter. People on the opposing team will have to deal with the same thing down the line too.
Don’t worry what your team picks or what the enemy comp is. Adapt to what you get. If you lose, you lose and that’s that.
I’m sorry you went through that. People like that are scum. In the future block/mute them if you didn’t. Honestly you don’t even need voice to play comp. If you want to use it by all means, but don’t feel like you have to stay in the voice channel if people are being freaks. Same goes for text chat. Hide/disable it if you want to. It might make your experience better.
If you want to communicate this game has a ton of pings and voice lines for you to use that get a message across well enough. Its up to you to develop awareness of your surroundings during matches. Hope that helps. Good Luck.
I apologize then. I looked at your profile and saw you only had a handful of hours overall and assumed. Either way it was a rude and unnecessary comment from me So again I’m sorry.
I never said these things weren’t going to happen. Over the course of hundreds of games you are going to get games where its up to you to do well. Some games are going to be unwinnable no matter what you do. I never denied that.
Tons of people play this game solo queue at all ranks and they also have to deal with throwers and leavers and all that too.
I’ve done it before and I am nowhere near a top 500 player. As support as well.
The point of the comment was not that you need to be a top 500 player to win games, but to demonstrate that you have more power in your hands than you think. Even as support. Like I said before, some heroes because of their design will make it much harder, but it can be done. Now If your team is literally trying their best to lose of course there’s nothing you can do and no one is expecting you to do anything about it. I never said otherwise. Seems you were just really unlucky with your games this time around.
Well like in most team games with solo q, if you want to get out of league N alone you have to play at approximately the level of league N+2 consistently (so, to get out of silver quick and carry games there you basically need roughly the level of a platinum player). Things are a bit more muddied as you go towards to top rankings.
It’s just the nature of statistics: you are not supposed to climb when you play at the average level of your rank, and in order to have a serious impact on every single game, it’s safe to assume that you are playing at a greatly higher level than the average of your rank (ergo the +2 leagues).
These factors are irritating and ruin matches. They don’t ruin seasons (unless you’re only playing a small number of games, the ranked system requires volume to be accurate).
Here’s my competitive journey. I started only playing support, very badly, and ended up right at the bottom of bronze 5. I started playing a little tank because the queues we’re shorter and got placed in bronze 3. DPS should never be played by me… Anyway, I kept a log:
20/7/23 00:00 B5 46%
25/7/23 21:30 W5 - L2 B5 55%
28/7/23 20:00 W5 - L8 B5 52%
28/7/23 22:45 W5 - L4 B5 57%
29/7/23 18:00 W5 - L6 B5 55%
29/7/23 20-15 W5 - L3 B5 62%
31/7/23 22:30 W5 - L4 B5 68%
1/8/23 22:45 W5 - L2 B5 77%
2/8/23 23:30 W5 - L8 B5 74%
4/8/23 22:00 W5 - L9 B5 66%
5/8/23 22:30 W5 - L2 B5 73%
Season 6
Support 20/8/23 16:00 W5 - L8 B5 54%
Tank 20/8/23 23:30 W5 - L5 up to B2 26% - played and won a number of B2 and B1 games
Tank 25/8/23 2:00 W5 - L1 TB1 33%
Tank 29/8/23 22:30 W5 - L8 TB2 46%
Tank 09/09/23 00:00 W5 - L8 TB2 26%
Tank 09/08/23 23:59 W5 - 1L TB1 19%
Tank 15/09/23 00:30 W5 - L8 - D1 TB2 66%
Tank 16/09/23 2:00. W5 - L2 TB1 57%
Next game is silver 5…
Sup 16/09/23 3:30 W5 - L4 SB5 59%
Tank 17/09/23 2:00 W5 - L10 TB2 27% ouch
Tank 21/09/23 00:39 W5 - L3 TB2 90%
Tank 23/09/23 01:30 W5 - L4 - D1 TB1 11%
Tank 23/09/23 02:50 W5 - L1 UP TS5 13%
Tank 27/09/23 23:39 W5 - L10 - D1 TB1 28% DN
Tank 29/09/23 00:00 W5 - L4 TB1 51%
Tank 01/10/23 01:30 W5 - L3 TB1 97%
Sup 01/10/23 02:30 W5 - L4 SB5 65%
Tank 01/10/23 23:00 W5 - L3 UP TS5 31%
Tank 06/10/23 02:30 W5 - L6 TS5 20%
Tank 08/10/23 00:00 W5 - L3 TS5 41%
Tank 17/10/23 23:00 W5 - L8 TB2 91%
Suppprt 23/10/23 23:00 W5 - L5 SB5 66%
Tank 24/10/23 01:30 W5 - L8 TB2 15%
Support 24/10/23 3:00 W5 - L2 SB5 71%
Tank 27/10/23 00:00 W5 - L5 TB2 40%
Tank 31/10/23 00:30 W5 - L10 TB4 99%
Support W5 - L5 Su B5 75%
Support W5 - L1 S B5 85%
Tank W5 - L3 T B3 51%
Tank W5 - L6 T B3 33%
Tank W5 - L1 T B2 31% TANK UP
Support W5 - L6 S B5 85%
Support W5 - L1 S B5 95%
Tank W5 - L8 T B3 94% TANK DN
DPS W5 - L5 D S4 75% DPS UP - BEST
Tank W5 - L6 T B3 93%
Tank W5 - L6 T B3 70%
Support W5 - L3 S B5 97%
Tank W5 - L3 T B2 28% TANK UP
Tank W5 - L1 T B1 20% TANK UP
Tank W5 - L0 ! T S5 40% TANK UP
Tank W5 -L5 T S5 46%
Tank W5 - L0 ! T S4 14% TANK UP
Support W5 - L9 S B5 85%
Tank W5 - L5 T S4 18%
Tank W5 - L1 T S4 59%
Tank W5 - L1 T S3 48% TANK UP - BEST
Support W5 - L5 S B5 79%
Support W5 - L2 S B5 96%
Tank form - W40 - L16 B2 28% to S3 48%
Supp form - W30 - L26 B5 85% to B5 96%
SEASON 8 BEGINS
Tank W5 - L6 S3 5%
Support W5 - L3 B4 13% SUPP UP (FINALLY OUT OF BRONZE 5!)
Tank W5 - L9 S4 ?% TANK DN
Support W5 - L6 B4 6%
Support W5 - L2 B4 ?%
Tank W5 - L6 S4 33%
Support W5 - L2 B3 78% SUPP UP
Support W5 - L2 B2 45% SUPP UP
Tank W5 - L3 S4 97%
Support W5 - L6 B2 41%
Tank W5 - L4 S3 22% TANK UP
Tank W5 - L7 S4 77% TANK DN
Support W5 - L7 B3 93% SUPP DN
Support W5 - L3 B2 23% SUPP UP
Support W5 - L2 B2 98%
Tank W5 - L5 S4 77%
Supp W5 - L2 B1 45% SUPP UP
Supp W5 - L4 B1 78%
Tank W5 - L3 S3 9% TANK UP
Supp W5 - L2 S5 31% SUPP UP - OUT OF BRONZE!
DPS W5 - L2 S4 -29%
Supp W5 - L3 S5 -52% BEST
I’m climbing, slowly, but climbing, and yes, I’ve had all the leavers and smurfs and throwers of course.
My advice is to click ‘stay as team’ when you get good team mates, add them as friends and play with as many people as you can that you know are at least trying and aren’t potatoes.
Your rank gets reset in a month, so you really shouldn’t care about it so much right now.
If you want a game which isn’t toxic then OW isn’t for you. I recommend at least turning voice and text coms off completely and use the pings for communication.
If you’re not enjoying the game then don’t play. It’s a video game, it’s suppose to be fun and relaxing. If it’s winding you up then go play or do something else.
Finally. I’ve been banned before for censoring a post with a *. So maybe remove that.
It’s a soft reset to MMR, with placements. So yes and no. It’ll be “reset” but you’ll be in the same lobbies and, unless there’s been a dramatic change in your skill, you’ll end up around the same place again.
Rest. Whole heartedly agree. People need to learn to stop playing.
I feel like you’re here to rant, and that’s okay. It’s mega frustrating to have a session like this where people are toxic AF and just throw - especially if you have a limited window to play it can really mess up your arvo/morning/night.
Like everything if you want to get better you will, but you have to try to improve and not just play, not everyone wants to do that and that’s fine.
Training might look like warming up your aim before a session, watching some youtubers. (I really like watching people getting coached at the rank I’m at because it’s actually relevant not just some top 500 player smurfing their butt off.) Getting your VOD’s reviewed on the Overwatch University reddit.
I use the random name wheel (google it) and put 3 things I’m trying to improve on, I spin it pre every match and that’s what I’m going to focus on that match, keeps it interesting.
Yes I’m in the slums with you, was hardstuck bronze 5 with a WR lower than 40 after way too many games. I made a choice to try to play better and after a lot of practice I’m climbing (52% WR Silver 2), I’m still making mistakes, still versing smurfs, still having DC’s and trolls but I’m climbing. Solo, and enjoying the ride.
Do you have any codes? I’m not a great player myself but i’m just curious
Alternatively if you ever feel like getting some coaching (for free) - more than happy for you to join my discord and stream, you’ll have 2/3 people watching who can offer advice, I get free coaching every day from people 2/3 ranks higher than me haha
I love this. HAHAHAHA
What you said from the POV of a person not addicted to this game:
You shouldn’t care about ranked at the moment, the climb is so slow it really isn’t possible to reach gold in a MONTH a WHOLE MONTH.
I’m aware the game is toxic, basically do not use the communication in the game because you are BOUND to come across people who would happily end the lives of everyone you love. And that’s ok, that’s just how the game is
If you are not incredibly deluded / addicted to the point where you’re willing to suffer to play the game, don’t play it. Run away because if you become addicted, you will suffer.
Also, even though the game doesn’t punish people for literally using the ingame comms to tell you possibly the worst things heard from human ears in a public setting because they don’t care about their free accounts. You SHOULD be AFRAID from the mods on the game’s forums, because if you dare to be passionate and angry about the game, even after censoring yourself, you are in danger of losing your account including everything related to it.
This isn’t criticizm of you, it is just pointing out the complete madness and distance you have to reach to defend the borderline psychopathic state of this game.
I’m sorry, this isn’t criticism of you… but how can you possibly think 78 GAMES 78 WHOLE GAMES, to climb from B5 96 - B2 98 is reasonable… I cannot see you as a real person, you must be a bot or fake creature. Because in other games, like League of Legends, KNOWN for hard climbing, you can clear a whole rank in 30 games if you win 2 lose 1. It is INSANE to see people (sorry, probably speed enhanced AI - couldn’t help myself) DEFEND THE OBVIOUSLY DELUDED SYSTEM.
Going 5 - 1 should NOT mean going S4 - 1% to S4 - 40% (as it did for me)
There is genuinely no feasible human with a life, that has the mental fortitude, the free time to waste on a game that does not care about him, made by a (as we’ve seen lately) infinitely greedy corporation, to climb in the ranks. No crap that all the top 500 either live with their parents or are streamers/content creators, because it is impossible to dedicate that much of your life to a filthy representation of latestage capitalism, and have a happy life.
I’m sorry but if MMR does not reset in new season it’s a GG from me. This game does NOT deserve my (OR YOUR, I’M NO BETTER THAN THE NORMAL PERSON) time. Please have some self respect.
It is not down to possibility, I AM climbing. But I do not have the time of day with a job and a life, to actually climb in a reasonable speed. Going 5 - 1 shouldn’t mean I climb S4 - 1% to S4 - 40%. That is HOURS of my life spent to climb… less than half a rank.
I’m here to point out the insanity of the game’s competitive system.
No hate, but if you’re capable of enjoying this… I don’t know man. Try watching paint. at least there’s a finished product at the end. And it takes a lot less time than climbing a single rank in OW2
xD Nah, this killed me. I need not say more if the advice is to stop playing the game.
No, simply No, the “nature of statistics” has nothing to do with the thing I’m actually criticizing, I am criticizing the SPEED of climbing, which is NOT effected by the actual “act” of climbing. If you have a positive winrate, you should be climbing untill you reach a rank in which your winrate reaches a roughly 50% EXACTLY. That’s the nature of statistics. The SPEED at which you climb is entirely seperate thing which has near to nothing to do with statistics, it has to do with reward system of the competitive ranks. If I go 5w - 1l I should be rewarded with a LOT more than less than half a rank from S4 - 1% to S4 - 40%.
My recent games (as far back as I can remember)
I’ve gone on a positive streak 5 - 4; 5 - 3 ; 5 -2; 5 - 4; 5 - 1;
Meaning my winrate is roughly 64%
If a winrate of 64% for over 39 games. Is worth Climbing 1 subrank (roughly mid S5 - S4 - 40%) Arguing that the system isn’t broken. Is less than SILLY, it is quite BONKERS.
I guess the finished product is I am enjoying the games and learning to play better. I’m not saying I don’t care about my rank but I’d rather lose and derank after a competitive game in which I played well and learned something than win and rank up in a game where I did nothing.
You’ve said it yourself, if slow moving MMR is enough to stop you from enjoying the games you play to get the MMR why keep playing? Play another game or find another hobby, don’t waste your free time on something that you don’t enjoy.
I am so close to quitting. (Competitive climb is broken) Yeah Aided I hear you men. The game is not fun to play right now in metal unfortunately, take a break, I’m on break cause I had same experience as a support as you, I climbed and get deranked 3 times this season cause of throwers, bots, people standing doing nothing, jumping of the map… waste of time and effort, have a nice weekend!
(btw I’ve played/grind 600+ comp matches this season as solo support so I know what you have to deal with in this lobby and no, you can’t solo carry matches as support if oposite team is playing as a team (or at least 3 ppl) and your team is sitting doing nothing or run 1v5 and die… it’s team vs team game and support is targeted first by opposite team as in all games,
and at the end of a day you don’t learn to play better when your team is playing terible and drags you down, you see bad plays not good plays…
It’s not your fault it’s bad designed product where only wins matters your personal performance no matter.
Oh and you have to do dmg as a support it’s the only way to go up, healing is not use at all, but when you go up there are also throwers, cheaters, derankers and all that toxic gamers so you will get deranked again cause ONLY WINS matter)
Heck, I’ve been carrying on support, but the SR gain is just too little. It’s going up at a snail’s pace. I’ve been going positive, but it’s just so damn slow.
I wouldn’t say I was addicted to the game. I’m single and live alone, and find myself with hours every day without much to do. I play single player games, but when I’m not in the mood to concentrate or tired but can’t sleep, I play Overwatch. Most of it is muscle memory at this point, just something to keep the brain occupied so it doesn’t start thinking to hard about the rest of my life.
I may not be a real person, I may have no self respect, but I play the game because I enjoy it. Nothing else matters to me. I like trying to improve. I like learning.
I don’t care too much about my rank in a video game. I find it fun trying my best to get better. I also like drinking beer. I also make my own beer, (currently drinking a roast chestnut and cranberry red ale I made for the holidays, it’s delicious). Make of that what you will.
Let’s just say that I take it a bit less seriously than some folk…and than, most definitely, you appear to.
Just play the game, if you don’t enjoy it, don’t play it. Simple.
Well since u have that flag out u should expect someone acting stupid and being immature.
As far as competitive goes yes, this system is terrible. Its not you being evaluated but your team rather… and since most of us are playing randoms its not even your team. Unless you have a group of friends to play with…
Anyway, you shouldnt worry about rank much, its not really yours and definitely does not accurately represent your abilities.
For some time I wanted to do nothing but climb in hopes that id get better games on average in diamond+ but even when I got there games still sucked for the most part.
TB2 27% ouch