I´ve changed my mind, the problem is Zarya, Not rein

Ive advocated for rein nerfs after a while (i still belive the steadfast nerf was necesary honestly) But after playing a bit of tank again (ive stopped playing for a while, came back a few months ago) , ive changed my mind

the problem isnt rein, but zarya, any tank that is paired with zarya becomes a problem,

Zarya makes any tank much more forgiving to play, allowing to and even rewarding things that would otherwise get a tank killed, a overly risky dive, overextending just to get charge for her, etc, things that no tank in their right mind would do if it wasnt for her presence in the match, bubbling also basically is free space for any tank due to everyone beeing afraid of giving zarya charge (busting through the bubble is a possibility, but unless you can guarantee that they will die the risk is somply not worth it, its a mistake you will regret until zarya dies because it easily snowballs out of control) when paired with rein, this becomes especially aparent,

not only that, but also has a very very easy time retaining charge, ever since the changes she got during goats (she got reduced decay, but a nerfed Ult range if i remember right, The first change should probably be reverted, maybe even reduced more than normal, now that barriers are weaker more spam damage gets through and zarya eats charge like crazy)

Honestly, i feel like those changes should get reverted at this point, as it stands now, zarya makes any tank she is paired with a problem, and lets not forget just how much damage she is able to pump out,

Does anyone feel like this as well or is it just me?

if i had to do a full proposal for zarya, maybe id say:


Energy

  • Energy decay per second increased from 1.6% to 2-2.4%

(im not quite sure about the value yet, so lets give a range) just in case)

Although id honestly id like to see a different version of zarya, consider the above part the more “reasoneable” part and now lets say this is the more…experimental idea,

what id like to propose is a version of zarya that has weaker bubbles that give less overall charge, but has them more often, maybe making her better at peeling for supports and less about making tanks have free space, So lets throw in the idea:


Energy general

  • Energy decay rate per second reduced from 1.6% to 2%

Particle Cannon

  • Base damage increased from 95 to 100

  • Maximum damage increased to 180

  • Alt fire base damage increased from 45 to 50

  • Alt fire maximum damage increased to 100

Particle barrier

  • Energy to damage ratio reduced from [0.2% per 1 damage] to [0.12% per 1 damage]*
  • Cooldown reduced from 10 seconds to 8 seconds
  • Barrier duration increased from 2 seconds to 3 seconds

Projected barrier

  • Health of barrier reduced from 200 to 150
  • Energy to damage ratio reduced from [0.2% per 1 damage] to [0.12% per 1 damage]*
  • Cooldown reduced from 8 seconds to 5 seconds

note: these barrier changes result in a full barrier destruction to give 24 energy


The last one is more experimental, a proof of concept per say, the numbers can totally change a lot, im just tryina throw some more suggestions

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You are objectively wrong. You are mad at her for peeling for her main tank which is what an off tank does. Do you get mad at D.Va if she matrixes the damage coming in Winstons direction? You’re being ridiculous/

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No because dva peeling for winston doesnt also increase her damage by 40%

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Thats because D.Va alrready has burst damage and high sustained damage that doesn’t need reloading either.

I mean Zarya and D.va are pretty equal powerwise for the majority of the playerbase.

Yeah, but Zarya has a lot more carry potential than D.Va. Zarya’s bubble can block ALL damage, while D.Va can only block bullets and ults. That’s the only thing D.Va has. D.Va has HIGH risk while diving and then Zarya can just go in the back field and gain her charge to max and easily kill somebody.

Zarya is busted.

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Well yeah but statisically one is hogging much better stats than the other though… esp in GM

Yeah, because I defiantly see more Zarya’s than D.Va!

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Sure. But then you look at league and D.va is doing way better than Zarya. D.va has more potential but it’s a bit harder to pull off than Zarya. All in all these two are pretty even, power level wise.

remember that time matrix got nerfed 6 times?
that’s why :slight_smile:

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Honestly, it sure doesnt feel that way both subjectively and objectively… maybe in OWL, but i feel like it may be an issue like with sym or sombra where its mostly coordination based but inverted?

Yes. Part of it is coordination. Part of it is she just has a higher skill ceiling. The pro players are able to eat more ults than most ladder players, that’s why they are pros.

Edit

D.va also is more generalist whereas Zarya is a deathball specialist. She should be better than D.va on ladder at her specialty

lol you say she’s op when she’s literally only gotten nerfs

Well the fact that a character gets nerfed doesnt mean that they cant still be or feel too strong

Yeah i think its mostly zarya beeing more powerful for literally everyone else but the League… to which, if i had to be honest, i take much more priority of the ladder than the League

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Does she still not eat all damage coming towards her main tank including ults? This thread is based around Zarya enabling aggressive tank plays because she can peel for them. Thats her job. Off tanks peel for main tanks. Whats she supposed to do, let him die? And that peeling ability is on an 8 second cooldown.

In ladder, Zarya is a specialist and D.va is a generalist. Why shouldn’t a specialist have better stats at their speciality than a generalist hero that fits in most comps?

Zarya’s stats go down a lot whenever Rein is not meta. Same thing happened with Hog during Bunker pre-Sigma. He went way up and had better stats than her, now he’s way down because his speciality isn’t useful in current meta.

The original 3 off-tanks are balanced among each other pretty well.

Zarya is a deathball specialist. Hog is a bunker specialist. And D.va is a generalist. She fits in more comps than either of them, but for ladder she’s worse at their specialty.

the oppressive extent that she was able to peel was the reason she got nerfed lol

There is nothing agressive about D.Va or current zaryas peeling abilities. Sorry, one has plenty of counter play and the other is on a long cd

thats kind of why id like to make her a bit different like i suggested in the OP in the more experimental idea

I just feel like she could be made into a direction where she is better at peeling for squishies and less about tanks…because she just made tanks like rein too easy and forgiving when she is with em1

But she’s literally fine