How to win in role queue: pick pharah

Pharah has always held the absurd power of having no counters, auto-winning against anyone who wasn’t a hitscan damage hero while still having way too much outplay potential against hitscan damage heroes. But at least before you could mitigate that by running 3-4 hitscan damage heroes to duel them. Now, you’re limited to 2 damage players total, and if none of them are hitscan players, you’ve already lost the match, regardless of the skill of the other players.

Now that useless tanks and supports can’t switch to counter pharah, pharah should be nerfed accordingly.

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You’re on PC, imagine those of us playing on console against a good Pharah.

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And here I thought Reaper and Mei are the new DPS God picks in 2-2-2.

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I have literally forced players off Pharah with my bad, gold Ana play, if I can do it, surely others can too.

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Is this ironic? Or did I not read OP right?

Do you need 3-4 hitscans to deal with pharah in your games?

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Oh no what do we do?
Use our brain? No
We want wo cry in despair and tell everyone how bad the world is, because we refuse to think for 1 minute or read one of the other thousand threads about this “problem”

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Replace this with a sniper or Doom and it’s the same. The game has always been about abusing such heroes.

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I think it’s genuinely a problem with Widow since her interaction is a mirror.

Lolwut

1 or 2 hitscans with possibly a dva and zen is more than enough

No. U may lose if u have that attitude though

Lolwut

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The average player has difficulty aiming and thus has difficulty with Pharah.

That is what is happening.

Also Pharmercy is not helping this case. I really wish Bizzard took the time to look into Pharmercy before 2-2-2 hit. The average player is about to struggle lol.

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Fixed it for you.

She has plenty of counters and plenty of problems. She specifically doesn’t need to be nerfed. It’s the synergy that she’s half of, that is the problem. But trust me I understand where your coming from. I’m a QP player, hit-scan players are as rare as a good hanzo or widow on your / my team. :smile:

IMHO that synergy can not be nerfed easily without majorly alterting one of the two characters involved and since it took them nearly a year to get Mercy right after altering rez, which they should’ve just removed. (But that’s a different topic) I say, rework Pharah.

Mainly remove flight as the center piece of her kit as it’s holding her and IMO Blizzard back from doing anything with the character.

The only good thing about the orisa meta is pharmercy isn’t very good against orisa comps that can just sit on the point and beat away the other 4 players while pharah tries to do chip damage. You can also just slot in dva over hog + 1 hitscan + discord or something like that

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You forget Ana and Baptiste, to some degree Zen (discord).
It doesn’t have to be only DPS countering Pharah.

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If since launch you still can’t figure out how to make pharah’s life miserable without going 4 hitscan, I don’t think your opinion holds much value…

Even though you might not realize it, you and/or your lack of creativity, initiative or will to improve your mechanical aim/think tactically are the one and only reason you suffer vs pharah so much.

pharahmercy is rough to play against, however I love to see a pharah who doesn’t regularly get pocketed, as they need to play much more carefully, and are easily taken out.

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Pharah can be easily sextuple countered even in 222 and even without any hitscan dps. She has an insane amount of counters

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Even if this weren’t nonsense, that does not change the state of things.
Being able to lelautowin by picking her because they have no counters is a problem. Her being able to be shut down so hard is also a problem. No hero should be like this. It’s depressingly uncompetitive.

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1 -2 hitscans is plenty, one of them can even be a healer, dva can also assist with this and Hamster though he’s better off booping people around on the ground.

If you’re having this problem in your games take the responsibility to fix it yourself and start working on playing her counters.

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In no way do i think Pharah is overpowered, but if you’re a gold then that Pharah is gold too.

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And you still can!
Mccree/Soldier/Ana/Baptiste
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i mean yea pharah can absolutely be countered by that, but if it takes 3-4 people to put most of their resources into countering 1 enemy… something might be out of whack