How to nerf ashe (in multiple ways)

[Guac-11908]

@TacoLobster-1493

It’s a little bitty Bob that homes in on the nearest enemy, like a self-guided tire, and then attaches to the target’s ankles, inflicting minor damage and impeding movement. You can shoot at him, but he’s like a baby zombie from minecraft and moves very fast.

So just torb using hammer

[Counterswap-1736]

@CurvedMedusa-1937

if not the worst DPS for pressure.

Eh?

I think the hero who can 2 tap at a decent distance is alright for pressure off that alone.

@CurvedMedusa-1937

If you wanna nerf Dynamite, nerf the hitbox.

Either or tbh.

I’d much rather it have an actual proper cooldown though tbh.

Just make it so the cooldown starts once the burn timer is over, and then just make the base cooldown shorter from 12 seconds to compensate.

[CurvedMedusa-1937]

@Counterswap-1736

I think the hero who can 2 tap at a decent distance is alright for pressure off that alone.

That implies Ashe doesn’t miss, and doesn’t take into the fact she’s a slower, easier target with a smaller FOV when she’s aiming down sights. Otherwise, she’s got a big head, gets diffed by Widow and Hanzo, and an escape tool that any hero with decent mobility can just power through.

@Counterswap-1736

Just make it so the cooldown starts once the burn timer is over, and then just make the base cooldown shorter from 12 seconds to compensate.

And what difference would that make? What if the dynamite doesn’t hit anything? Are you implying the total cooldown should be longer? Wouldn’t a simple cooldown nerf with what we have suffice, because things are starting to get messy and we don’t need to fill the wiki up more than we have to. And if it is longer, how do you balance that so the rotation of abilities doesn’t feel slow and tedious; that it doesn’t feel like a waiting game, because I for one would not rope Dynamite in with the likes of Rez, Immor, and Suzu in obvious power and value. The big thing is would the hero feel good to play, how do they feel around other options that could very much do her job better, and if these changes were to go into place, how does that affect the experience?

[Counterswap-1736]

@CurvedMedusa-1937

And what difference would that make?

It would increase the cooldown.

@CurvedMedusa-1937

What if the dynamite doesn’t hit anything?

Then it would immediately go on cooldown.

@CurvedMedusa-1937

Wouldn’t a simple cooldown nerf with what we have suffice

No because you’d literally be off worse if it was a longer cooldown lol.

Imagine it like this.

IF you hit people with it, it’s a longer cooldown than right now. If you miss, it would be a shorter cooldown than what it is right now.

[Stromboli-11377]

@Counterswap-1736

@Stromboli-11377

ur doin some major girlmath on dynamite cooldown here
if helix rocket did its damage over 4 seconds, you wouldnt say it had a 0 second cooldown.

Yes… I would?

It’s not “girlmath” it’s just basic logic.

The burn lasts 5 seconds of the 12 second cooldown. Giving it an effective cooldown of 6 seconds.

The cooldown should just start after the burn is over, and then make the base cooldown shorter to compensate.

open ur eyes bro. loool

[Counterswap-1736]

because… this reply means something!

I guess?

[Seiba-11783]

Her hitscan “projectile” size needs a nerf, that is the biggest issue with her at the moment.

[Mädŀąď-1913]

Revert the reload buff ‘lets take the Ashe weakness and make it null hyuk hyuk’

[DRUNKINJEDI-11320]

i get the feeling she might be nerfed in the season 12 balance patch. i hope not since i know sombra might since they hinted at reducing all flanker/mobile heroes health.

i might not be a fan of season 12 but hey juno is here so ill probably just be a juno main for a while

[Starbuck-1587]

Unpopular opinion, but Ashe is quite balanced right now, and you’re struggling against her because the person playing her is a better shot.

She only became S tier because of Casserole nerfs, nerfing her just pushes another character above her, and the cycle never ends.

[Counterswap-1736]

1. I’m the person playing ashe lol this has zero correlation to “omg I just lost against this hero please nerf!”

2. The hero has been top 3 for multiple seasons atp. Even before cassidy got nerfed.

3. The better shot thing also just means nothing… it’s a hitscan hero. They aren’t difficult to play outside of widow. Especially when she comes with a massive AoE ability that isn’t remotely difficult to land.

Plus ya know… buffed projectile sizes.

[Ranulf-1999]

@Counterswap-1736

Or honestly… remove dynamite? This is a more extreme case but to me personally, I do not see why the ranged DPS hitscan hero, who’s counterplay is meant to be “lol play behind cover” is allowed to have an ability that… punishes people from playing around cover. But that’s just a me thing, obviously dynamite isn’t going anywhere.

Because Ashe was made to be intentionally designed to be overpowered.

Her entire design is that of an anti-anti-sniper that can get value even against anti-sniper heroes.

[Starbuck-1587]

Then advocate to reduce bullet sizes and reward skill, not nerf a balanced hero.

[Counterswap-1736]

I’m going with the conclusion that… blizzard ain’t reverting that garbage. So… this is what I suggest instead.

[KumaKuma-11146]

I play a lot of both support and Ashe and I’ve always felt she’s the fairest hitscan to play against. Like dynamite is not hard to manage if you just keep an eye on the affected person, which you should be doing anyway.

[Starbuck-1587]

Make more noise, the louder people with actual aiming skill scream the more likely they change it back so we can stop getting killed around corners by logs.

[Nyxa-21603]

@Counterswap-1736

OR nerf the fact that her hip fire is basically a hitscan storm arrow.

It just isn’t though…
It does much less damage is wildly inaccurate and has falloff her hip fire is only good at close range engagements, popping dynamite or finishing off a low hp target.

Storm arrow is the tank melting button.

She is very strong I will admit that (I have been saying that since the S9 changes were announced) but it definitely isn’t her hip fire that makes her strong.

As for coach gun… It’s literally a shotgun it would be stupid if it didn’t do damage. I have never seen anyone complain about coach guns damage.

I do like the sound of the dynamite nerf tho, and the whole bob now has a tank passive… That should be reverted, nobody asked for that and bob was never a bad ult.

[ppiy-11795]

That’s like throwing Chucky .

[NerfHEDSHOTs-3422]

Just reduce the headshot multipliers across the board

It wouldn’t jist fix Ashe it would fix a whole ton of stuff.

[QuartzElk-3218]

Ashe being good now is not because of her own strength, it’s because other ranged heroes all get nerfed while widow is very easily countered and s9 changes affected her breaking point less. There is a difference.

She is still quite weak into dive/flankers. Or give other ranged heroes some buffs she will immediately fall off.