How to make Pharmercy less cancerous?

[Akaras-1659]

Of course this is just the PTR so all of this is subject to change

@TomPowers

Several heroes have received major changes to their damage falloff:

Bastion

• Configuration: Sentry and Configuration: Recon - Minimum damage at max range increased from 30% to 50%.

McCree

• Peacekeeper - Minimum damage at max range increased from 30% to 50%

Mei

• Endothermic Blaster - Removed all damage falloff from her secondary fire projectile

Soldier: 76

• Heavy Pulse Rifle - Minimum damage at max range increased from 30% to 50%

Widowmaker

• Widow’s Kiss - Now has damage falloff applied on her automatic primary fire (50% at max range)

Developer Comments: The goal of these changes is to slightly reduce the impact of damage falloff on mid-range weapons. While assessing falloff mechanics across the board, weapons intended primarily for close-range combat benefited too greatly from lowering their falloff restrictions. We also normalized a couple of outliers in that Mei had a long-range travel time projectile with falloff applied and Widowmaker’s automatic fire did not have any.

Pharmercy wing clippers now

[Kn0wledge-11243]

… Flashbang? On Pharmercy?..

No lol

You can’t say McCree counters a Pharmercy considering Mercy’s self-healing passive, a healing and damage boosted Pharah, and a primary fire with fall off damage.

[Ductvader-1261]

This.

20Charactershere

[Eponymous-11697]

Mcree flash bangs both and then no healing and no damage. It’s easy

[Kn0wledge-11243]

… how do you Flashbang a flying duo let alone one that is far away from you?

[Crash-12278]

Hm for console this could work

Remember when pharah was almost destroyed

During the early stages of OW, pharah received a big nerf in which her rockets on a direct hit went down to 80, and any dmg from hitscan depleted all her fuel. I believe this was on ptr but was never available to test, but that would’ve been scary (or I imagined all of this and saw it in a theory post)

and maybe nerf mercy healing/damage boost
or on console increase GA to 4 seconds

[Patroclus-21714]

They already did

20chars

[Eponymous-11697]

By getting closer like using the highground and throwing up, what you don’t understand yet is that mcree has a roll

[Alhaitham-21203]

At what SR can you just walk up to a pharamercy and flashbang them ?

[Hooligan-11896]

Your own Pharah + Mercy, but with discord almost always on the enemy Pharah. A damage boosted direct rocket hit on a discorded target is an insta kill.

[Kn0wledge-11243]

… Do you know how far flashbang goes?..

Also, what makes you think I am going to flank with one of the most immobile heroes in the game while the Pharmercy is in the enemy backline?

[Tabbulus-1451]

One hero does not counter a synergistic pair. It takes two ppl to counter effectively.

[IzoQuartz-2611]

I can’t believe there’s actually people here defending pharmercy…

If you’re going to defend pharmercy at least have a good argument for it not just “BuT mCrEe CaN FlAsHbAng ThEm!!1!”…seriously it’s like they’re purposefully making themselves look bad…

[Eponymous-11697]

Flash is almost 10 meters but mcree also has roll for basically tracer level mobility

[JellyandJam-1179]

Well you see, there’s something called the butterfly effect😂

[Eponymous-11697]

always the hunter never the gun. If you can’t flashbang then that’s on YOU, not the characters.

[FiteMe-21206]

-snickers- +1

(I feel like I’m laughing harder than I should be)

[Corpus-11262]

Did you just call Mccree as mobile as Tracer… that’s like quote worthy funny. Mccree is the least mobile offense hero objectively. Even after merging of damage category he’s only more mobile than Torb or Bastion. Even Sym/Mei can at least access high ground easily and everyone else blows him out of the water in terms of movement.

More on topic I think Mccree is gonna be hugely better against Pharmercy after the damage fall off change. I think she still needs changes on console but I doubt they’ll ever balance independently.

[mew2heart-1104]

Pharah is simply a badly designed character. The worst designed in fact.

-Has to give too many resources to be alive/counter
-Week in high levels and a joke
-Strong/despair pick in low levels and on console

[hatewheel-1555]

By getting closer like using the highground and throwing up, what you don’t understand yet is that mcree has a roll

I want to say this very slowly and carefully so I’m not misunderstood.

I have 600 hours on Pharah and have never, ever, had a McCree find the highground and flashbang me out of the air. Not once.