How to fix the DVA - Zarya counterswap

Just play DVA, don’t swap, take the loss.

Dev’s won’t take action until stats (and they seem to only look at win/loss) show a need.

So let’s burn DVA into the ground with bad numbers. Zarya will get nerfed, DVA buffed.

Maybe counterswap might be considered as an issue too, if it’s strong enough.

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I agree with this

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Yeah D.Va should be able to DM beams as well it’s so unfair

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I only play Dva so I’m way ahead here lol

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  1. Avoid Zarya, you have boosters!

  2. Zarya can’t keep up, she has no mobility options and limited range!

  3. Kill her backline

It is that simple, stop face tanking Zarya and you won’t be insta-deleted by her.

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It’s not that simple though… Zarya can bubble the supports you go after from afar, and the supports can just play close to Zarya if they realise what D.va is trying to do.

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While I don’t wanna see D.Va buffed, I’d also like to see Zarya nerfed…
Can’t you both just go to Rein and Winston instead? :pensive:

Cool, that’s less protection Zarya has for herself. And she has no mobility to disengage. Forcing a defensive ally bubble is a big win.

Great! That means they aren’t covering angles and are vulnerable to flanks and multiple lines of sight

Better to face tank Zarya, take the loss, get buffed and Zarya nerfed.

Lose the battle, win the war.

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N ono, why should a player use strategy

They want to fight a 1v1 from a character with 15m range and close combat speciality vs dva who can fly

People here will make forum posts but won’t adjust their playstyles

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Just increase armour’s resistance to beam damage from 30% to 40%. Ezpz.

Buff Symmetra’s damage to compensate. She needs a buff anyway.

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Same. Though if I’m running into 3 counters every game I’m inclined to just queue support instead…

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That Zarya/ dva match up does feel on the extreme end of hard counters. Yes it’s possible to use only high ground on some maps or dance around the map at range perfectly avoiding the Zarya but it’s so much harder and feels bad as a play style when the Zarya just points and melts you easily if you make one not perfect move. It’s a prime example of why tank feels so punishing and unfun.

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Only way I could handle a buff to Sym’s “frontline presence” as a dva player ngl

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It is. The idea that DVA is only really countered by Zarya, but is overly hard countered by Zarya, is a prime example of design issue of current 5v5.

I would prefer DVA to have less health, but be able to block beams.

Then buff Sym damage and range a little, plus way more ammo, and balance is good.

Therein lies the problem.

D.Va has to not only play completely optimally but have her team follow up on the space she creates completely optimally.

The Zarya has to aim in the general direction of the D.Va — and if that D.Va makes a single mistake, boom team fight over.

Is it possible to beat Zarya as D.Va? Of course. But the skill disparity required for a D.Va to beat a Zarya and vice versa is ridiculously large.

“Hard counter” doesn’t mean it’s impossible for the D.Va to win, I’ve beaten Zarya in the past, but it does mean you are extremely disadvantaged and have to be leagues better than the Zarya to even stand a chance.

The point isn’t whether or not D.Va is playable into Zarya, but that Zarya forces you to play not only completely differently but completely optimally — the Zarya is the one who decides how the matchup will go. It’s frustrating to play into Zarya because it generally does not feel like her aiming her relatively massive beam in your massive hit box is any example of skill expression.

It’s frustrating not because it’s impossible but because the odds are stacked against you. Zarya is not a very strong tank on her own nor am I advocating for nerfs but against D.Va it is frustrating to play onto her. This is simply the design flaw of 5v5.

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Wait you guys are serious about this :sob::sob:

I was joking

Dva should beable to eat zarya, simple

Same as a dorito or a genji

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No you weren’t. We know the truth.

Nah you should see my posts about DVA I am not a fan of her