Problem is (for you anyway) - I am not embarrassed. Children live, children die, children kill - it happens in stories all the time. This “outrage” coming from you over it is just … well - senseless to say the very least.
I think - at worst - if a child died in an Overwatch cinematic that would change its rating from T to M. But I see no moral failing over it - it’s still just fiction, it didn’t actually happen in real life.
I see nothing to be ashamed over. Except for you - having a massive flip out over something that happens at least somewhat commonly in a lot of horror fiction. Sure - Overwatch is not horror fiction but let’s not forget - the child did not die, nor did she actually successfully make a kill.
Blizz retconning whenever they feel like is going to lead to the problems in modern WoW lore. Never a good idea to pull stuff out your rear end when it’s convenient. You’ll need to answer for it sooner or later and it won’t be pretty when that happens.
It’s going to be funny when they realize how bad they screwed up. Glad I stopped caring about OW lore when it was a tiny trickle years ago.
The only problem I have is that people see a girl trying to kill a man fleeing for his life and people laughing about it, and subsequently defending it. That’s all there is to it.
AFTER he and his group tried to kill her grandpa? Yeah, the girl has every right to be angry. Is revenge the best way to go about it? No. But it’s understandable.
I didn’t laugh, nor do I see any indication that it was meant for laughs. To me it just seemed a natural progression of “you tried to kill someone I love, I am a child with no self restraint so now you die!” I still see nothing wrong with this.
How do I feel about the lore retcon? Nothing. OW lore is like just a mix of the most generic mass marketable ideas. “Guy has a dragon because he’s Japanese and Japanese dragons b cool” is 100% how the Blizz meeting went down. If you seriously think the have some OW lore master was sitting there for hours contemplating the consistency of magic, you are hoping for too much. Fox girls and fox spirits are both popular things, that’s why Overwatch has fox spirits now.
Yeah, people brought this quote so many times in this thread but no one really considering it. We don’t know how OW universe works exactly. Could be magic, could be science, could be both. It’s not a new trope either:
“Your ancestors called it magic. You call it science. I come from a place where it’s one and the same thing.”- MCU Thor.
And this is exactly why I called you out for having such a pathetic sense of morality. They had the opportunity to show them that they were better than the mobsters who had taken advantage of them, but that gets thrown out the window as soon as they stooped down to their level. Do you not understand the basic difference between a villain and a hero?
What’s moral to one person is immoral to another. You are not the judge and arbiter of what “morality” actually is. Everyone has their own code of morality that they live by, some people rely on religion to give it to them, others rely on their upbringing.
In the strictest sense killing at all is immoral but is it not immoral for those bad guys to go killing her grandpa to begin with?
Plus - Overwatch and pretty much any Blizzard product since 2004 has always been about gray morality. There is no black and white. And that mirrors real life in so many ways. There’s so much nuance to everything. Black and white morality LITERALLY DOES NOT EXIST IN THE REAL WORLD, no matter how much people would like to arbitrarily push people into those categories for their own convenience.
Is it moral for a cop to shoot an unarmed black man who is running away from him because he felt his life was “in danger”? I can tell you one thing: A disturbingly high number of people think that’s perfectly moral. That there’s nothing wrong with that. That it’s perfectly okay that there’s no accountability for the cop who can just make up some excuse about feeling threatened to go out and MURDER an innocent man.
A child hurling an axe at a criminal in a FICTIONAL STORY is literally gumballs compared to something like that.
Exactly. Even if it’s not a kid, everyone isn’t a saint. Expecting people to be forgiving, especially in the heat of the moment is unreasonable.
Genji and Zenyatta are special because they can show this kind of forgiveness. But you can’t expect that from the average joe, it would undermine the uniqueness of saint-like characters. You should expect people to be just and reasonable, but not forgiving.
And, to be honest, i think magic is a better “sales pitch” in OW over science, in some cases. I think Genji, Hanzo, and Zen really stretch the “this is science” idea, anyway. I would have a much easier time believing their abilities were more from a magical or spiritual nature, personally (Note that Hanzo even calls it a “spirit dragon”, in some of his OW1 voicelines.) It definitely would make the Dragons cinematic make more sense, imo. At least to me.
Point is however is that yes, in our version of what science is, those abilities do feel too stretched. However, in the OW universe, I think science can differ. So what we need is information on how OW universe works, what are the priniciple being applied there. Because if it turns out that every human is some super-human capable of energy and matter manipulation like say the Avatar:The Last Airbender then their abilities are technically ‘science’ in OW’s perspective and reasonable, it just needs explanation.
But I know Blizzard won’t expand on that. Especially because the element of mystery adds spice to the lore for many.
Everything you said in this is definitely a fair point. And I do think if they would expand on what you said here, in universe, it would be fine. But, if we’re going with our views on science versus magic, without in Universe explanation, I think either is fine depending on the circumstances (like i mentioned above).
All I’m saying is what is pretty much obvious. Kiriko didn’t tell the kid to do that, she did by her own initiative. Make of it what you will, that was just a lighthearted little story, I don’t know why hang up on such details.
