Hello boys.
I’m struggling in high gold, low plat with pirateship.
I main Mccree, widow, and some Ashe/Soldier.
The last few weeks, I came across an annoying problem.
I can’t figure a good way to counter Bastion/Sigma/Orisa/Baptiste on payload maps.
What can I do in the future to give my self the best position against pirateship? And what should my team repick when we see the pirateship? 
Regards
Even though i’m hardstuck low gold/high silver, just dive bombing the bastion as junkrat works alot of the time if you land on him, throw the trap on him, and just keep firing on him, your volleys and the death bombs should be more than enough to kill him (Unless, yknow, bap lamp).
I’m going Sombra, I’m going under the Bastion and I fire at his critbox.
That probably only work in bronze though. But Sombra is still alright in every rank to counter a Bastion. Hanzo and Mei are supposed to be good too.
High mobility heroes or either high HP heroes that flank from all sides meaning they can only focus one at the time and once the Bastion is gone we only need to claim the payload for ourselves.
Tracer and Genji can deal with it efficiently assuming you know how to play them good.
All the three snipers but especially Hanzo can deal with it as he can spam shields and make good use of his ultimate, the other two are more situational. Like on maps such as Junkertown with plenty of highgrounds and large space widow can completly wreck a pirateship by playing from behind it.
Deathball heroes like Reaper can do the trick very good as well. I mean, my favorite hero other than tracer/genji on some maps like hollywood is doomfist assuming I have dive heroes with me because it doesn’t really matter I can’t smack bastion around if the rest of the team also sit in that small space on point A with 6 people and you throw a crazy raging dude in there along with a moneky and a mech girl things will die and they will die fast. You can just instantly pick off the supports, come back and finish bastion unless your teammates do it for you.
And like I said, spam heroes like hanzo but also like trashrat and pharah can obliterate pirateships.
Now why pirateship is effective in lower ranks is because of the lack of coordination and that people just go in and die one by one. All you really have to do is group up as a team behind a choke and wait for them to come and when they do you engage hard so using mic and just emphasize the fact you need to group up might be a wise idea.
But like I said, if you want to deal with it yourself Tracer and Genji can do it. So with Tracer you just poke and build up fast pulse bombs which you stick to bastion. You often get 2-3 people and the only thing that can prevent you from getting him is if baptiste throws down immortality field, you can play around that by using it after pressuring it out or just stick it and IF he reacts fast enough they are still so low that you can one-clip the bastion or some of the other people making it easy for your teammates to just overrun the payload.
With genji you have two possible ways to kill it. Either by dropping down on the bastion while he’s shooting and using deflect and if that doesn’t work you can just wait for the nanoblade because it’s kind of lovely having 5-6 enemies stacked on that little payload because you don’t have to think much when you spam “ultimate ready” and ana confirms by saying “ultimate ready”, dash up, press Q, dash down, swing the blade and dash a few more times and everythings dead.
Heroes like McCree and Soldier can work just fine with let’s say a Hanzo or junkrat and hog/orisa/whatever spamming shields and just output more damage from range than bastion can deal to your team but that requires a team effort to break the shields fast enough so nothing you really can rely on doing.
Oh I forgot, Mei is a nasty hero and it’s not her ultimate that makes bastion cringe, even though you can use it to seal the deal so to speak but what you do is place the wall under Bastion and then the rest of the team can burn him. It works extra good on maps with highground because you can abuse HoG hook and just pull him after mei throws him up in the air but all in all, what mei wall essentially does is make him unprotected from shields, healers have a hard time throwing lamp or even heal as they will lose LoS and so on.
Sym can also be used in very creative ways. Maps like Hanamura if the defenders have bastion it’s very easy, all you do is teleport to point, above point or behind point and engage slowly or force them to come to you. The importance is just to not run around like headless chickens after teleporting. Set up, let sym burn the shield from an angle they cant shoot her (or you from). On payload maps you can just use her to teleport behind/above the payload they sitting on and brawl it out. And when you get ultimate up you win. Simple as that.
Oh yeah, you can always mirror it with a Bastion yourself and do more damage to shields which is autowin.
Basically, almost every hero can work. Some just works better than others in general and some requires less help from the team than others.
Just stay away from Sombra… Yes, you can use her and hack the world and win the game. You just need to be crazy good with her and if you are crazy good with her you wouldn’t be in gold/plat and you would be able to deal with a pirate ship much more efficiently with a Tracer anyways.
Because she wont get many hacks of if they play remotely close to decent due to shields and that heroes like Sigma and bastion simply can interrupt her hack so don’t play her thinking “all I have to do is go up and hack the bastion and hope my team engage and we win” because that’s not really what will happen. Like for Sombra to ever be useful you can’t sit in invis and wait for the perfect hack half the game you need to do damage constantly and consistently the entire game and build up very fast EMPs and again, not really that easy.
Like the only time Sombra is a nice pick is if you are superior to your opponents and just want to troll around which is why smurfs like her as they can spawn camp lesser skilled players.
The only hero worse than her is Bastion really and they can be forever alone together in the trashbag F-tier category with even heroes like Reaper and Sym laughing at them from their Tier above.
You counter it with team work. You can spam dmg at bastion from different direction so he has to move to different targets, you can play genji to deflect him. Mei can work too as she can block his sight or lift him up so he will not be shielded.
Sneak reaper jump on him from high ground can work too.
Btw use rickets first on soldier as it should remove the armor first.
It’s very easy to counter pirate ship with team coordination. You should play a high burst damage hero such as junkrat, which will demolish the shields. Having a flanker to go behind the bastion to distract him and then having all tanks rush the payload. Bastion can only shoot one person at a time so rushing him all at once will kill him. Preferably, you’d want to bait out immortality before going in. Having your own bap helps too.
For the characters that you have listed, only one stands out to counter Bastion. That’s Ashe. She can do it, just not that well though. What you want to do is flank behind the pirate ship to an area where the enemy team has no idea where you are as well as have a hard time reaching you once you start attacking. You’re gonna want to throw dynamite at the bastion and get as many players in its radius as possible. Then you spam the bastion with shots and hopefully take him out. Another more extreme way to do it is to throw Bob on the payload as a distraction, dynamite and then shoot.
for my enemy team is bad teamates at my team that say bastion is bad at attack, even though its escort and theres the pirateship technique
Ashe? I dont know man. Ashe cant kill him very fast without mercy dmg boost. If you can access him from behind to get shot at his head, widow will still be better choice by far.
Mei is still best possible hero to counter pirate ship because she can easily lift up bastion and then he can be easily killed. And you dont even have to deal with shield.
Hanzo,
Mei
Tracer
Sombra
Torb.
Junkrat (especially RIP-tire)
How does torb counter bastion? Bastion will melt torb and his turret in second.
I would honestly never pick torb against pirate ship.
by using off angles, coordinated.
Sombra is a good pick for her EMP’s as long as you have team follow up. Once you win that fight just keep them from setting up again and it’s pretty easy if they dont switch it up.
If im in a stack I’ll go mei and ice wall under the bastion so my team can burst him down.
Lift up the bastion with a Mei wall.
I don’t see pirate ship to often anymore, But the best counter in my opinion is your own pirate ship… Mirror what the enemy is running then it becomes a game of who does it better! It seems to do the trick when I come across this travesty of a team comp!
Personally I send Wave After Wave of Humans into the omnic, knowing that they have a pre-built in kill limit and once they reach that limit they automatically shutoff.
Well…maybe people will disagree on my idea, but if you know Baptiste’s immortality field is on cooldown, you could go Junkrat and suicide bomb yourself on the point.
I’ve actually done that a few times tbh, where my team mates struggle to take down the people on the payload, so I get fed up, mine bounce in the air above Bastion, then spam grenades/mine until I die so that the total mayhem grenades insta-KO Bastion and do heavy damage to team mates nearby.
I once killed 3 people doing this and got Potg. It was kind of embarrassing just looking like an idiot when I jumped right on Bastion, but I guess their swap off Bastion speaks for itself.
call out when to rush get a lucio rein hog junkrat, etc and say SPEED ON CART NOWW. and BOMB RUSH EM. if lamp is they’re call it out BREAK LAMPPPPP