It appears that he can now neither be a blade bot or a viable flanker/skirmisher.
Sadge.
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Yup.
Should have been
- 20% higher Ult charge cost
- +2 damage on shurikens
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Just +1 dmg to shurikens. A small change will still make him decent around. And thats it. Honestly, small steps for genji is the best we can do and this is the right direction for him. Next up, 29 dmg shurikens will be fine for him as the next logical step. Dont want him being gutted if he steps into overpowered territory if we were to take big steps like blizzard did with him in June 2020.
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Personally i would go for just +1 to shurikens and see where that leads us. Small steps is the best chance we got to figure out a good spot for him better. And to prevent him from being gutted when they took humongous steps with him in June 2020.
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Agreed, Idk how to feel about it. He needed a tiny tiny bit more of a buff but not enough to make him OP again
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i think that his ult charge nerf overcompensates for his increased fire rate bcuz the fire rate increase only adds, what, 6-7%? but the ult charge nerf is 15%, so he gets blade slower on average
I do like what blizzard is going for, but for higher ranks especially, his base kit still lacks. Now if they were to add +1 to shurikens, heāll be decent. I personally dont mind getting blades slower, as long as his base kit is reliable and useable. But this is a good direction theyre going for with genji. Just needs a little more oomph in base kit and thatāll be good for him.
Having the trade off to rely less on blade but having a now reliable base kit will be good for him. However, small steps for now to avoid making the same mistake like before.
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the problem with that is that rn his kit isnt reliable, so i agree with ur 29 dmg proposal 
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I donāt think itās a hot take. A lot of people agree with you based on the longer time it takes to get an ult. However, his base kit was improved. And data shows his win rate has also improved. So objectively he is performing better. He is less of a blade bot now which is exactly the intent.
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Thanks. Yeah im aware that genji is still lacking the higher you go. At least in low and somewhat in mid ranks, hes a bit better and useable. If that +1 makes a huge difference and somehow makes his blade charge quicker than average, then 20%. Trying to discourage less nanoblade and more on a useable base kit. Small steps. Makes it easier to see where he lands and for testing.
I do agree. I and some other genji players ik want him to be useable in base kit and focus less on nanoblade strats the higher you go. It makes the hero healthier imo where hes not too reliant on just trying to fish for a feast/faminine ult combo and just play farming simulator 24/7. Slower times on blade and less blade, while giving him a useable and improved base kit (not op though) will be healthier for the hero. Atm, we can try +1 dmg to shurikens to understand where he lands better.
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+1 damage with no counter balancing act doesnāt need to be tested to understand where he lands better. It is a straight buff and therefore he will land higher. The question is, what is the need to push him higher? Is it just because heās not the highest?
This week in:
Platinum: 3rd most picked DPS with 9th highest win rate.
Diamond: 3rd most picked DPS with 6th highest win rate.
Master: 4th most picked DPS with 6th highest win rate.
GM: 11th most picked DPS with 3rd highest win rate.
Heās clearly not struggling.
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Thatās not not struggling, lol
I donāt love Genji but I donāt think Iād mind a 29 DPS buff with some sort of nerf to blade/ult cost, and maybe revert one of the deflect buffs
But I also wanna see where he lands when they nerf Baptiste sustain/IF.
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Genjiās biggest issue is that unless you completely body his dragonblade ult charge to āāget it once in a gameāā, there is no way for him to actually be balanced if you buff his base kit to be Tracer level of sustained performance.
Nerfwork Dragonblade into something similar to Pulse Bomb: a bursty assassination ult without inherent multikill potential.
ā¦ But at the same time, Tracer is already a MASSIVE issue. We dont need ANOTHER Tracer-like flanker going around, not without real counterpicks that dont destroy inmobile close range DPS just for a chance at being able to compete with Tracer, like McCree or release Brig.
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Genjiās most lethal enemy are healing and peeling, both are much better than when he was part of the meta.
The only way to make him decent again is either make him outscale the healing/peeling (which makes him the powercrept one, sadly), which failed, or make him more survivable in engagements.
Increased deflect duration and deflect cancel both are more for offense than defenseā¦so maybe they should push towards the shorter cd shorter duration path so that he can actually have a half-decent get-out-of-jail card more often instead of always having inherent risk when engaging without one.
I mean cherry picking one stat where 99% of players donāt play at just to make an argument that heās possibly a little lower than average isnāt really a great argument either, especially when heās overachieving in every other rank. Someone has to be picked the leastā¦ and there are 6 more DPS picked less than him in GM (and 14 more across all ranks). Iād rather see heroes like Bastion, Sombra, Symmetra etc. worked on first.
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I donāt want to be mean, but if you think devs will buff Sym, Bastion, Sombra, lolā¦ I have bad news for you.
They donāt have a huge fanbase and have always been ignored.
Genji is all about fanboyism. His playerbase is huge, so people will complain a lot if he is C tier in higher ranks. I bet that at the moment he becomes B tier, there will be people complaining he isnāt A tier and so on. Like Iād literally bet my money on this.
If this is gonna really satisfy his fans, Iām fine with the shuriken buff. Give him +1.
Iām pretty sure it wonāt satisfy Genji players on the long term, no matter what they tell me here. Itās more likely that a couple of months after this buff they will still be complaining he is 6th or 7th most picked in GM instead of 4th, or that hitscan powercreep ruins him and that he is still a blade bot.
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I agree. Like I said:
Personally I like playing all the heroes and in a perfect world have them all (or at least as many as possible) be viable. Nobody ever says āGTFO Genji youāre throwing!ā But they sure as heck say that about a lot of other heroes.
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I think his pick rate will follow the win rate though, people are just working out that he is winning.
It is a lot better than before.
We will see though, in a few weeks.
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Another point you made, is that Genji is already strong in most ranks. Maybe he doesnāt work very well in Masters and GM but everywhere else he is a solid pick, and I highly doubt everyone asking for Genji buffs is a Master or GM player.
Buffing him to be good in GM would make him crazy good everywhere else. The typical response you will get to this objection is that if youāre not GM, you donāt matter.
People will complain anyway. If a character is too good, especially a character who harasses Supports, there will be a lot of whining on the forums and Reddit. And if Genji turns out to be too good in sub-GM ranks, he will likely get nerfed again.
So ironically, it is of Genji mainsā best interest that he doesnāt become too good in Gold-Diamond.
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I mean if you see Shadder2k or any high ranker playing Genji, the amount effort that you have to put him to make viable outside of blade is astronomical.
On top of that, blade gets countered anyways
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