Hot take - Lucio enabled the worst metas in the game

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And I don’t want to say Lucio is overtuned (who am I kidding, he is), he single-handedly breaks the game and allows metas to be uncounterable. He is “brawl” enabler, and that’s fine. What is not fine is that he enabled all non-brawl comps and made them impossible to beat.

Dive is “use mobility and kill somebody”. Lucio’s Speedboost is redundant here, yet he can contribute in assassinating supports via his damage and boop-out-of-position. Not only that, if a dive attempt was poorly executed, he can speedboost his team away, making Dive unpunishable.

Double shield was a perfectly fine comp because it was static and lacked disengagement tools. Lucio breaks it, by allowing it to disengage bad fights or evade dive attempts, as well as preventing teamwipes with his ult. Any other support would make the comp look somewhat balanced (expect for Bap, he’s just kind of made for it).

GOATs is an unfortunate combination of sustain, ability stacking and Lucio’s general “brawl enabler” role. Could have been fixed by making him actually choose between Speed and Healing, but whatever. Doesn’t cancel the fact that he’s guilty of multi-tank comps’ existence (including Slambulance).

Now it’s JQ paradise, or JOATs, or whatever you call it. Lucio brings same issues: he contibutes to dives, he prevents dives, he provides decent sustain (enough to neuter poke), has good poke himself, can duel DPS, good at everything. Swap him out and this comp falls apart. Team can’t disengage on JQ’s Shout alone, doesn’t have an answer to strong (burst) ultimates, doesn’t have long-range poke damage and is dangerously susceptable to Dive comps.

This lasted for too long. By now it should be obvious that Lucio needs some changes. Being a meta pick for all 6 years is more than enough to warrant serious nerfs. Brig gets beaten to a pulp every time she doesn’t end up non-meta pick (and I guarantee you, she’ll be the first to get nerfed in OW2), yet Lucio gets a free pass. I don’t mean to completely “Brig” him, but he needs to have some downtime on his abilities. Something like 5 seconds between you can swap to another aura, or 3 seconds of that after using Amplify, or longer Boop cooldown. Just don’t touch his ultimate, it charges slowly as is.

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I don’t even think Lucio was apart of double shield? That was a Bap/Brig or Ana/Brig. The whole point of double shield was to double down on safety and ranged spam. Brigitte helped thwart dive attempts on the 2nd support (ana/bap) due to stun, repair pack, rally, and whip shot.

Lucio actually helps to enable some counters against many bunker type compositions.

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Goats was bad and he was part of that but not the enabler, not in the top two either.

Hes not that great in double shield and hes supposed to be good in dive and brawl

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This isn’t a hot take, this is just wrong.

Lucio is not ideal in Dive, he is just a worse Brig. You need to play to peel in this comp as the main support, and you only have your boop to do that. Brig is the ultimate peeler for this. If you go and dive with your team as Lucio, you’re going to be in a permanent 5v6 (or 4v5 depending on the game).

The reason Lucio was meta in OG Double Shield was because the sustain of Moira + Orisa-Sigma was so strong that they could just walk on people and straight up not die. Lucio, obviously, helps them do that. Sigma was the most broken hero in the game’s history and Orisa was very strong at the time. Lucio was just a part of the comp.

This was possible because of Brig.

Well yeah, it’s a Brawl comp. Lucio is supposed to excel in Brawl comps.

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Lucio is a cancer on face of OW no question.

Jk.

Bruh… his playmaking capability sets him worlds-apart from Brig on Dive…

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You don’t need playmaking capability, that’s not the point of playing Main Support in Dive. You play to peel for your other support so that they don’t just die whenever your team dives. Brig does that way better than Lucio ever has.

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The dive supports were Mercy and Zen though. Lucio wasn’t part of the meta. Nowadays you’d play Brig instead of Mercy.

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IIRC, the first version of double shield ran Lucio + Moira, back in… uh… 2019? Whenever it was that RQ landed.

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no no its always brig’s fault. it doesn’t matter that lucio is also in all the most hated “brig meta” comps and is more integral to them its brig who is broken and over tuned! the fact that lucio has been in more metas than brig and is more central to those metas doesn’t mean anything its brig who is the spawn of the devil and should be nerfed again

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This is the second Lucio Bad thread I’ve seen this week. Have you guys finally decided to come for him?

No, but Lucio was the main support pick for Rein Zarya comps. I only remember this because people kept blaming Rein and completely ignoring Lucio back then, so its weird to see people comfortable with blaming him now.

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Lucio is no where near overtuned.

Nor did he enable this meta. Junkerqueen did.

He is okay at best. Better than mercy moira. Worse than everyone else. In 5v5.

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The first sentence is not even correct sigh

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eh, nah. I think Lucio is actually probably the only support thats been well balanced since the start of the game. Other supports though… cough Brig (GOATS), Mercy (Pharmercy, Bunker), Ana (Triple Tank, Beyblade, Nanoblade), Bap (Bunker) cough cough all terrible meta’s

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you know Lucio is also in goats, triple tank, and beyblade, as well as brawl, slambulance, deathball, and many more. Speed boost is a hugely powerful utility and until junkerqueen only he could provide it

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You lost all credibility with “ Double Shield was a fine comp “.

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People use the term “double shield” to refer to any meta comp that featured Orisa and Sigma (or Orisa and Rein), but there were several that played quite differently. The very first double-shield comp was an extremely high-sustain brawl comp with a Lucio/Moira backline. Moira was valuable because her orbs and Coal go through shields, and Moira needs Lucio. There were a few other variants of brawly Orisa comps with Lucios too, especially as all of the defensive aspects of her kit got nerfed (which they did so much of for some reason before touching Halt). There was a period of time at the pro level where Orisa was basically just at fragile Halt-bot, and the whole team had to pour resources into her to cart her around and keep her alive so they could get Halt value.

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Lucio was considered a throwpick back in the doubleshield peak era and had sombra level pickrate for a while. The comp was zen-bap but even they were not enablers, it was Sigma/Orisa.

There were multiple dive metas without lucio, in which he was replaced by either Brig or Zen and sometimes mercy when the team played pharah. He was a must pick back in 2016/2017 because there were no other choices (Mercy still had mass res and low healing and was considered a throw for a while).

GOATS was enabled mostly by brig and also by Moira when they buffed her AOE heals, lucio was a big piece but he wasnt a enabler.

He did indeed enable rush comps, playing a Rein without lucio and agaisnt a good lucio was impossible.