This is just wrong
1.: You dont play Dive withvLucio anymore for years
2.: Even if you play Dive Hereos with Lucio, you go Moira too and its a Brawl/Dive hybrid and not a real Dive
3.: Lucio enables Brawl and Brawl counters Dive. That means he enables other Dive counters and is because of it a passive Dive counter
I dont disgaree with your psot, just with that argument
No. Lucio can’t do everything at once unlike Brig - THATS the difference. Lucio either has to decide to speed or heal. Brig can literally do everything at once, i’ve done this myself in less than a second use all my cooldowns AND AOE healing going.
I mean look at Ana and tell me her kit is not bloated.
Why should bothering DPS be the standard of what’s acceptable ? lmao
It should not be, but many view it that way. I would gladly make certain supports stronger but people are always complaining about healing levels and about all of the utility abilities supports have. Based on many responses I have come to the conclusion that many have a low tolerance on what a support should be able to do.
And tanks… and supports… all which Brig drastically hinders… and lucio assists in an unbroken yet unique way…
What even is wrong with a ‘bloated’ kit? Lucio has 3 abilities an ult and a passive. There are plenty of other characters with a similar number of abilties such as Mercy with 3 abilities, an ult and a passive; Baptiste with 2 abilities, a secondary fire an ult and a passive, Rein with 3 abilities, an ult and a passive.
Just because a kit has a decent amount of abilities doesnt mean its ‘bloated’. A ‘bloated’ kit would probably be something that has a lot of POWERFUL abilities.
With Lucio you either have to sacrifice between using him for damage/boop utility or just using him for his aoe Speed/heals. So his kit isnt really that ‘bloated’
yes unbroken meaning he is not an obstacle like Brig. Putting obstacles in the way of dps is counted as bad when it is not. Launch Brig certainly was super strong but she is not that way anymore. Brig is more of a soft counter that deter some value of enemies through repair pack and her being a bodyguard for the other support.
Obstacle heroes are bad to play against and ruin the game because the pacing of fights feels terrible. Not just for DPS. Examples include Brig, Sombra and Mei. Meta’s where these heroes were present are considered some of the weakest meta’s in the game because they destroy the game flow. And they don’t need to just be a wall against dps, idk why you ever thought this mess up other than to make some whiny point about dps or something.
Saying Brig is a soft counter tells me you don’t know much. Soft counter means it can counter, or can stop some aspects of the character. Brig’s presence shuts down about 1/3rd of the cast.
I am guessing you have not played Brig recently. It what way does she hard counter something.
Who determines the flow of the game and how it should be. In the beginning heroes like Mei and shields in general were much stronger and no one had a problem with them until a few years later.
You had to get me started. By existing she makes inconsistent damage heroes irrelevant through her packs + inspire. Flankers are still doomed to get near her area and whip shot is just that little cherry on top of CC even after her stun.
This is of course if you’re playing against any Brig that’re higher than 4100, anyone below just doesn’t know how to do anything. If you play against a trash can 4k Brig then you should be able to roll over them, cuz they’re dumb.
Mei was actually significantly weaker back in the day, compared to when she was meta.
I didn’t say anything about shields, but again, Sigma didn’t exist so this is a very mute point.
Strange tracer was among the top Dps when Brig was part of the meta. Brig did not hard counter tracer as you say. Otherwise they would not be playing tracer at all if Brig hard countered her.
I didn’t even say the word Tracer. Are you just stuffing things down my throat to fit your narrative?
Anyways, I’ll answer your point. Friendly Brig enables tracer. Enemy Brig counters tracer.
Understand? Good.
You mentioned flankers which tracer is a flanker
Extraordinarily specific example, since Tracer is in fact not the only flanker in the game. Surprising I know.
Yeah but in the end she is still a flanker. I would suggest playing Brig for a time and see how much of a hard counter she really is.
Why would I play Brig? I’m an Off tank player and would have no idea what I’m doing. I’m like, 3700 on support, my personal experience on the hero has no relevance, I’m trash at support.
Look there is no way I can convince you whether Brig is a hard counter or a soft counter and the only way to solve this is if you put in the time to play Brig and have first hand experience on how Brig is currently.
Would you trust a doctor who have only read about medicine or a doctor who has first hand experience treating patients.
Ah but 3700 = I’m a 10th grader who got a B+ in Science 10.
ie. I am not a doctor in your analogy, and chances are, neither are you.