There’s so much I just dislike about this hero. As a tank main, I hate having hog one tricks on my team and it’s incredibly common. Hog has 0 tanking abilities so these players usually have no idea how to actually play tank. They spend most of their time waddling around buildings going on long flanks leaving me to do all the tanking. Then they get hard focused and use their self heal just so they can feed more ult charge before they die, then tell everyone they are good cause they have gold damage.
Now on the flip side, the rare hog main that actually knows what they’re doing and landing hooks left and right, it just becomes very oppressive. Do we really think hook one shots is good game design? I’m unsure. The hook mechanic was inspired by blitzcrank in league of legends, but blitz was a support. After hooking he relied more on his team mates to finish off the target. I personally think this is better design.
Now there actually was a time when hog couldn’t one shot, and he was F tier, so here’s some suggestions. Half hogs damage, but give him a tanking ability. Remove self heal, it’s just an ult feeder. Replace self heal with a tanking ability, perhaps an ability that hardens his skin making him invulnerable to all dmg and cc for a short period of time. This would allow hog to hook a target and then move in between enemy team and the hooked person, using new tanking ability and blocking attempts to save hooked person.
Now I know that suggestion is going to immediately trigger some people, so don’t get too hung up on it, I’m not a game dev. But I think a solid suggestion for hog is to get rid of his ult feeding ability and give him a TANKING ability. If hog is going to remain in the tank category, he should at least have something in his kit that… ya know, tanks. I’m tired of having this fat flanking dps in the tank role.
Hook mechanic is from a warcraft 3 custom game where Abominations (or Aboms) would use their hook ability to pull enemies on the other side of the map off a cliff. I hated the game, but my little brother loved it. I think it was called Pudge wars.
Pudge was made into a dota all stars character. Riot completely stole the idea.
Edit: Also, yeah I agree with your post, hog one shots op.
IMO, the hook is too powerful because he is too much permissive IMO.
And it prioritizes the weakest target not the nearest. It’s too strong. You can’t hide behind your tank to save yourself.
“I don’t like this” isn’t a reason to change a character.
Especially if you don’t play them.
Hog tanks through threat. Tanking isn’t something that happens when you push a button.
Your problem is with poor players, not the character.
So now he can tank? “Oppressive” meaning you have to stay out of LOS or die yes? … making space… or TANKING.
It’s a combo, not a one button kill. And it’s fine. It has loads of counterplay even.
And make him a crappy shield tank that can’t do anything but bodyblock for a short time and then HOPE TO HIGH HECK the healers do something about all the damage that’s happening to the non-mobile giant target.
Finally someone with common sense.
But I’m not sure about your breather changes. Just give him 1/3/2 gass cloud, 200HP selfheal and reduced dmg (but ammo and recovery time reverted)
Yet you started with a line purely quoting your feels as the primary reason.
Yet you constantly quote that not having a pushbutton “I TANK NOW” skill means he needs change.
… does disagreeing with someone immediately mean I’m “Triggered”? Just falling back on this seems to imply you have no arguments and have to attack people instead of arguments.
No its all the fallacy used to inflate your point. The most contentious of all “learn to play him the right way” is completely missing the point of op’s post all together which is a change of what the right way is.
Their biggest problems seem to be when OTHER people play him wrong and that he doesn’t know how to counter him well (he feels oppressive) . Both of which will be assisted if they play the character and understand them, therefore learning their counters and preventing others from “playing them like a fat DPS”.
Every time someone says a character is OP I play them as much as I can and I’m almost immediately shown 100 ways from sunday on how to counter them simply by having them done to me.
I’m sorry I can’t go down the rabbit hole this time. I’ll only get banned, objectively right or objectively wrong. People don’t handle being dismantled very well.
I’ll ask you this. Do you agree with OP that Hog needs changes or do you think he is fine the way he is?
His ability to displace targets, peel, and auto garner enemy attention, fire, and abilities are all tank abilities.
Players playing him poorly is no different then the charging Rein
So Kratoan is kinda right. Your follow up points are just “I don’t like him” when you sum it up.
Yes you did. Perhaps not intentionally but it’s all right there
Nothing in there showed he was triggered. Rather it seems you don’t have anything to really say or share about Hog outside your dislike of him as a hero. Your changes are so bad that I would have addressed them point by point why they are bad but u kinda showed your toxic behavior right out of the gate. So you kinda just mock posters out of your lack of substance.
