Not to mention said heroes were technically already meta for a long time before this.
Mei was meta for months before double barrier and her nerfs came in
All Genji got was 2 weeks after years of mediocrity and blade botting then got banished back to the shadow realm.
for once i agree with egryn lol. The sheer amount of bugs on doomfist is embarrassing and about 5 times the amount that any other hero has. Doom mains have found all of these bugs and why they happen FOR BLIZZARD. Again its just insulting how they haven’t addressed it by at least buffing him to be viable.
Y’all do realize nobody enjoys the game when Doom is strong though…right?
Everyime he is everyone complains bc he makes the game just as unfun as strong Brig does, and then he gets a nerf…and the game instantly feels less opressive and frustrating
Hero needs a rework more than anything
You know, I actually disagree with Mei being badly designed. I think with Mei she should just be restored to a stronger state and people need to suck it up.
Bastion and Reaper have big obvious problems but with Mei people are just salty because they view CC worse than being killed. Nevermind that a Pyro-style hero like Mei would just kill people that fast in any other game.
Blizzard: says they fixed doomfist wallslide bug
Also blizzard: straight up lies about it being fixed because it still happens every god damn game
So you’re fine with Mei pubstomping everyone but not Genji?
When it comes to Genji you piss your pants but the second it’s Mei “Oh suck it up”
She’s absolute hell for tank players that want to simply move around
No, she’s absolute hell for REIN players who want to simply move around.
There WERE tanks that were good against her… Orisa, Winston. But they’ve been made useless so you’d never know.
Mei doesn’t punish tanks as a whole, she’s extremely strong against Reinhardt specifically, and to some extent Ball and Roadhog.
sure you could say rework. or just do this
Rocket punch- damage down from 250 to 190
Charge time from 1.4 to 1 second
Uppercut- 0.35 to 0.2 second recovery
Ultimate charge decreased by 15 percent
No punch one shot. No massive damage on certain tanks for free. Just a high skill assassin with a fast charging, mid impact ult. Yes certain people would hate him somewhat, but a lot of that would go away once his low skill playstyle goes away. Would he be annoying? yes but certainly a lot better for both doom players and opposing teams.
And of course fix his 40 bugs but that’s a given
I’m not even saying she’s badly designed, I’m just acknowledging that she’s not a very good pick right now. It’s just that these things don’t often belong in Genji/Doom threads because most of us don’t disagree that other heroes are also in a sorry state. Replies like this detract from the thread because we have to explain this same thing every single time or else people will just say we’re ignoring points.
So you want Mei way stronger because of your bias against Rein.
Not a good excuse.
Not that exactly, I just think people overplay her countering potential about tanks because they’re not thinking past Reinhardt.
Back in the day when I saw a Mei, I just went Orisa and went on with my life. Nobody else seemed to ever think about that.
Orisa gets spam headshot
Winston straight up gets bullied because a good mei wall completely screws him over then proceeds to get frozen to death
Roadhog just gets frozen and bullied to death
What is ball even supposed to do?
Sigma has a decent matchup cause of his shield
Reinhardt gets screwed by wall
D.va has an okay escape against Mei
Pretty much the whole category HATES mei
not going to lie man. Its kind of irritating when people complain about another hero they think is bad on a thread about a different hero. You drown out the whole purpose of the thread and diminish it. Make a mei thread man. You’ll have my like on it. No one is trying to say your opinion isn’t valid. But this isn’t the place my guy
With how fast her freeze was back then, the game was hell for me and my tank/support friends.
You got frozen before you could even really run or escape and just took an icicle to the face.
Felt way worse considering she could wall you in and force you to take the freeze.
Getting frozen over and over was just straight garbage to play against. I’d rather fight prime Doomfist than that, at least the death was quick.
Plus most people hate that stupid wall strat.
You’re pushing in trying to get a solid fight going then there goes Mei cutting your Rein off, now you just lost the whole fight and it’s back to the drawing board.
Imagine being forced into an enclosed room and having a Mccree flashbang you with like a 1 second cooldown, that’s what it felt like as a tank.
Ah, I guess you’re right. You know, I’m not even against Doomfist buffs, as long as they’re reasonable. He’s underpowered for sure. And a sensible Genji rework that fixes his problems is fine too. I just don’t want pure buffs because it will make Genji overpowered in my rank.
I actually don’t think either are that bad. Obviously fix all of the bugs on both, but I don’t think they’re as bad as people make them sound. 
Genji could use power shifts, but I don’t think he sucks.
Its moreso that flanking is pretty much an outdated playstyle with the way the game has changed.
Before you could dive a support and then they could either escape or try to duel you, only healer I’d consider fodder back then is a Zen.
Now you go try to dive someone you get stunned, your damage gets outhealed, and since you couldn’t secure the kill you’re just dead.
I’d be more than willing to put this on Experimental and see how it plays out 
Sounds good to me and if Doom players like it that’s important too