Heroes that RUIN the Meta

He’s right, though… There will always be a meta. This is true for every game with competition.

I should mention you also called him bad when you are either smurfing or have literally never played competitive before yet feel valid to talk about it like you know more anyway.

:sob: It hurts me so deeply I’m wounded it really hurts man why are you so mean?

Your still not going to reveal your main account ? You do understand your present account is used for trolling with widow maker on quick play right? Show me your glorious top 500 account so I feel more shameful.

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on average mercy gets like 8 resses per game now. that is countering 8 different picks that took mechanical skill prob a player or multiple players with actual coordination by pressing E. along with her ult which is busted and not comparable to any of the other ults u listed. visor and blade are easily counterable with skilled gameplay. you dont even need to really try to counter death blossom because he just dies most of the time to normal damage. all the ults u listed are ults are subject to outplay. mercys is not. how often does a valk mercy die besides when ulting at super low hp or at the end of a fight when most of her team is already dead. probably less than 5% of the time. it just lasts too long and requires no skill. theres really nothing u can do but kill her team. and that changes nothing because she still gets full effectiveness for 15 seconds. its almost like shes taken out of the game and given free reign to heal. Also the abilities u compared to her res are actually fun to play against. again its called outplaying and mechanical skill which is what makes the game balanced and fun. if every hero was reduced to the skill level of mercy the game would die instantly or maybe it would be fun for toddlers ages 1-3.

Rez undoes a pick that happened PRE FIGHT. It doesn’t win team fights, it just prevents your team from getting staggered to early picks. Mercy should never be able to get a rez off in the middle of an active fight. If she does, it’s YOUR fault.

Source for this? He already had a very minor nerf to Spam Arrow but it doesn’t seem to have changed anything.

how am i trolling by making valid opinions worthy of discussion. i dont know what ur point is on this post. please go cry elsewhere.

You may or may not be trolling because you’re on an alt account and saying a hilarious amount of stupid stuff.

Despite Mercy’s poorly handled rework, she’s somewhat balanced but could do with yet another rework at a later date. Her standard kit is stronger than her ultimate ability, resurrect is unearned and too powerful as a standard ability, and finally a decent Mercy can do virtually everything that Valkyrie offers (which isn’t much to boast about that’s for sure).

Brigitte’s fine, and I say this as a player who’s recently played Reinhardt and Orisa against her.

Moira’s fine.

Junkrat was already nerfed recently and he’s no longer oppressive, unlike Hanzo.

I agree with Hanzo, hopefully more nerfs are on the way.

so if a widowmaker dies my backline because hes got outplayed by the other widow, i should be able to undo it by pressing E behind a rein shield? and if I get the ress of that means the enemy team is bad because they didnt kill me? most flankers arent even played now to dive her or prevent res.

Please provide correct facts before you just assume any number. Just because “it feels like a lot to mee” doesn’t mean it is.

Mercy resses average 6 plyers in GM per game this week.

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yes Blade is so easily counterable that he averages 6.15 DB kills per game in GM. Statistically 0.15 more than Mercy averages rezzes.

Also Visor is countered by standing behind a shield or running behind a wall. Interesting that you call that skilled gameplay!

BTW. Rez is countered by pressing E as McCree, just like that! Just look in general direction and be close enough and you unskillfully cancelled rez.
Lucio Boop is his Rclick which needs to be aimed in general direction. Pharahs boop is her E that needs to land close to Mercy to boop her far enough. Sombra has to hold down Rclick to easy hack her. Mei can put an icewall underneath her to get her out of range. Doomfist presses E and Mercy flies up with him. Brigitte can Ez bash. Orisa can halt. The only CC’s that I’d say take “skill” in your sense of skill is sleepdart and hook, but even then, if you miss, that’s 100% on you since Mercy is standing literally still. Like an Ulting McCree, and we all know how fast he usually gets shut down.

Yes it it counterable and yes she dies quite a lot. I don’t know if you don’t really want to see it because it won’t fit in your confirmation bias but they die all the time. I die in about 10% of the time to Visor and Noon. And another 10% of the time to a skilled widow. And another 10% of the time when I am completely out of position. Then another 10% because I panic ulted when I was low. I get shut down more than 30% of the time when using Valk in terms of dying. and we haven’t even taken into account when my Valk utterly failed because my team got wiped nonetheless, which is around 30% of the time when I activate it. Then we have the 10% of Valks that are activated unnecessarily when the teamfight was won already because of misjudgement. Only about 30% of my Valks are good, useful and not wasted.

Stuff that easily outdamages Valk healing by pressing Q (note, I’m not talking about killing Mercy, but her teammates):

  • visor , bonus: can ez kill Mercy
  • nano visor (kills faster) , bonus: can ez kill Mercy
  • blade , bonus: can ez kill Mercy if Genji times it good
  • nano blade (kills faster)
  • Deathblossom , bonus: can kill Mercy
  • Grav + Dragon , bonus: can ez kill Mercy
  • Pulsebomb
  • Dva bomb , bonus: can ez kill Mercy
  • Shatter + Hanzo arrow spam
  • Junk Tyre , bonus: can ez kill Mercy
  • High Noon , bonus: can ez kill Mercy

So tell me pls, which of these ults, save dragonblade, do really take “skills” in your opinion?
All these ults require is good gamesense, map awareness and positioning. And so does Mercys ultimate.
What use is your ult when you activate it without thinking and they Dragonball your team? What use is it when you activate it and fly into the sky brainless and get instakilled by Widow? What use is it when you activate it and fly into the sky brainless and get solo Nooned?

That’s on you and your team if you give her the space to do it. Mercy does not have free reign of the skybox starting in mid-plat games because people CAN and WILL shoot and solo-ult her out of the sky. Hell my Boyfriend is a low Plat Hanzo main and he shoots down Mercys in Valk so consistently he makes them switch to Moira.

Oh and BTW what’s your though about Zenyatta then? He is taken out of the game for 8s and given free reign to heal. And he heals a lot, 300hp/s. He can’t be killed during it either. Outdamaging is really hard and its only real hard counter is anti-nade and damageboosted dragongrav. He heals 12000 hp during his 8s (300hp/s x 5 teammates x 8s). Mercy heals mere 4500 hp during her 15s (60hp/s x 5 teammates x 15s).

Yes outplaying a standing still Mercy who goes for rezzes is fun indeed and very easy :slight_smile: . I’ll show her my superior mechanical skill while I have lots of time to aim4head and kill her!

  • oh McCree just rolled towards me? lemme just blink away, yes here comes the flash, and ez blink back and finish him off!
  • Oh Ana wan’t to sleep me? Lol no I press “e” as Gengu and reflect before animations even started!
  • Oh Ana wants to nade my team. No lemme just press Rclick as Dva and eat it lol.
  • Tracer blinking towards my grouped team? Denied!

What I’m trying to get at, these abilites require more gamesense and positioning to outplay, rather than skill. I managed to jebait McCrees in FFA DM with Mei consistently and them always flashing into my iceblock and then freeze them. Did they call me skilles? Yes they did! Was it skilless? No it wasn’t. I used my cheese abilites to outplay them.
The same thing you can do with the Mercy rez. It’s not instant (where I’d understand you). If Mercy manages to judge the situation right and gets a sneaky rezz off she deserves it. She managed it through gamesense or teamwork. If she judges wrong, she’ll end up dead over 90% of the time. Mercys skill comes from analyzing the situation and micromanaging her teams health.
Meis skill for example is also not raw aim. It’s disruption and areal denial. You need to have immense gamesense for that. You can really overperform as Mei and not hit anything with her right click. As long as you disrupt and hold down chokes, you’re doing your job with the same “skill” Mercy does.
Same goes for Reinhardt. He takes 0 mechanical skills, he’s ALL about gamesense, leadership and mindgames.

Also, as soon as you hear the rez sound, she will NOT be healing for 2s, an opportunity which your team should capitalize on and burst her teammate down.

I’d like to see that Widow position where they manage to get outsniped by the enemy and then have a Reinhardt be there in time to shield the Mercy. Usually Widows die on the high ground and then it’s on the red teams Widow not to keep an eye out for the Mercy who might want to rez.
Also as I said again, it is on the other team if they don’t rush in when they hear the rez sounds. Her team is literally down 2 (Widow dead and Mercy unable to move or heal). If I dare try to rez early in the teamfight in my diamond games, my team usually gets overrun…

another fun fact I saw by looking through the heroes on Overbuff. Reinhardt kills and average of 6.8 players with his “E” which is easy to lead once you got the hang of it. And at that is at a low CD and quite spammable indeed.

Pick rate isn’t everything. And rez is icing on a cake. She is the only viable solo heal because of her extreme mobility and consistent hps with the ability to pocket someone with damage boost. Being able to remove a pick when dive isn’t relevant anymore isn’t incredibly strong.