Here's what Silver is like - Here's why comp is miserable

As a Silver player, the last two seasons, my matches are always 1 of 4 different ways:

  1. The rare actual fun match. An actual good match. A match where my team actually has a shot at winning and sometimes my team wins. A normal, actual, comp match like they are supposed to be. The way matches were in Season 1 of OW2 before the matching system underwent changes.

  1. A mix of Gold, Plats, Diamonds and for some reason, just me. Just the solo or maybe 1 of 2 Silver players in the match out of 10 players. These matches are miserable. My team usually tells me to kill myself over and over. Very toxic environment and everyone in my match is higher ranked than me.

  1. A match that can SEEM like a #1 (above) kind of match to start, but then whichever team goes Mei wins. That’s Silver right now. Mei just doesn’t die. Whoever goes Mei dictates who wins, even if it’s the team that looks like is gonna lose 70% into the match. Doesn’t matter, Mei wins.

  1. Just an outright STOMP. And I’m never on the stomping team. I mean never, ever, ever. If it’s a stomp, then it’s the other team stomping. Idk why the matching system will do this, but every single time, it’ll put 5 players like me, Silver, on one team. We are all using our main accounts, we all have “titles” which means we use this account to grind the entire BP, we are all typical Silver players. And the other team will be 5 alt accounts. No titles, profiles show they are usually just placing in comp still and are in their first 5 matches, no season history, new account, still not officially ranked yet. These are ALWAYS, ALL higher ranked players using alt accounts, aka smurfs. The matching system ALWAYS lines all of them up on the other team together to just obliterate a team of Silver players ready to just be abused relentlessly, humiliated, laughed at, toyed with, destroyed.

This is why I just hate comp. The matching system does everything it can to make it unbearable. Yep, I know, “yeah, it’s the matching’s fault, not yours LOL, get gud, cope, L” I know, I know, trust me, I know. And for sure, I’m not good at OW, clearly, I get that. But I wanna have fun too. I wanna be able to play comp against the 100’s of 1000’s of other Silver players out there at my level. Just bc I’m bad, doesn’t mean the matching shouldn’t allow me to play against my own level, it does for all the other eloes. Is OW ONLY supposed to be fun for higher ranks and miserable for lower ranks?

And here’s my last match, I’ve lost like 5 in a row, I’m done for the day.

Watch it. Tell me what I’m supposed to do. This match falls in to category #4 above. These matches happen about 1 every 4 matches… all 4 categories above happen evenly. I’m totally open to any VOD advice anyone has. Keep in mind, the last few minutes of this match were so deflating, I know I started playing horrible. I was just done by that time. You can only take so much abuse in a day.

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Any helpful advice is most welcome and sincerely appreciated. I main Ashe, as you’ll see.

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Has a former silver player who was almost gold and now Bronze. I find silver matches very tough compared to Bronze.

I will watch the replay once OW2 connects.

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while making it a free win for the enemy team? how does that work? is the MM sysytem secretly hates you and puts u against better players consistently? Any theories why the enemy team is so special that they get those free “stomps” against you?

any theories what have you done that it’s only your team that is constantly targeted for one way stomp? I’m really curious.

also…what?? Season 1 was an absolute mess, what are you talking about?

I watched a bit of your replay. In low ranks like silver, I usually almost always go S76 instead of Ashe. Because in bronze and silver, healing tends to be very unreliable. Not to mention your team tends to be in a bad position most, if not all the time. Which further makes you more susceptible to dying. So that’s one mistake you’ve made, go on a hero which is harder to make it work in low ranks.

Another reason to go S76 in that scenario is because you were against high mobility heroes like sombra and lucio (who looked like a smurf). So going on S76 or even Cassidy would’ve been better since you wouldn’t have to stay scoped in to aim. When you stay scoped in on Ashe, Widow, or Ana, your mobility decreases. Which makes you more vulnarable against high mobility heroes.

Last reason S76 is so much better in low ranks is because nobody breaks the shield in that elo. And Ashe isn’t particularly good at outputting sustain damage (mainly burst damage), which further contributes to her downtime when the enemy has shield tank.

Also, what’s your average aim percentage like? Because that needs a bit of improvement as well, you were missing quite a lot of shots that were practically free kills. I’m only in silver 2 atm and I constantly average 30 to 38% accuracy in aiming on hitscan heroes. I think you want to have at least 30% accuracy on hitscans if you want to get sufficient value out of them.

Your positioning needs improvement as well. On maps like gibraltar, you want to secure the high ground, which is especially important as hitscan. But you weren’t on the high ground all that often. Since you were on Ashe, you could’ve used coach gun to push the enemy D.va away if she tried to contest the high ground.


I still need a lot of improvement though on my DPS role as a silver player. Anyways, here’s how I’m playing right now on maps like gibraltar: Y7Z55B. Notice how I’m always trying to stay on the high ground as much as possible. (ignore the first 5 minutes of me constantly dying, I needed time to get used to the enemy tracer lol).

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There are some weird match ups. It’s not consistent, so I lost all my tiers and having trouble getting them back. I have a positive win rate(60-65% on the heroes I use), but the lower tier games that are inconsistent cause me to lose a lot of sr.

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and Blizzard is hiding people’s ranks. Instead of people seeing the rank and understanding how bad the match is, it’s now the lowest-ranked player’s burden to take the blame.

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I hate having to spend 20 minutes in a game I know I’m gonna lose because we have a Sombra or a Moira who definitely know how to stall a game, but don’t actually contribute anything to winning it.

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Ok, vod reviewing right now, will edit post later.
VOD REVIEW - Silver Ashe, Spoonie
Don’t worry about compositions for now, metal ranks generally don’t understand why comps are how they are in the first place anyway. Killfeed and timer dictates how aggro you go.
On Ashe, Coach Gun is your primary escape tool, use it well, use it to take positions, like highground.
First fight - Lucio is on your screen, but you don’t shoot until he’s close, more of an awareness issue, and then panicking when you do shoot. In Silver, Time to get healed is long - how do you counteract this? By playing next to someone, forcing 1v1s into 2v1’s.
Take the very top box with hanzo instead, and ping the target you shoot.
Awareness - Recognize audio cues, lucio’s skates from above as you stand still and make yourself an easy target to burst down.

Next fight - You get the pick, then back up. Good, you’re alone so you can only be up there for a short time. Dva bomb splits the team, you have an isolated 1v1 - this is a skill check. You panic again, moving around erratically as sombra still isn’t looking at you. You can lead with the dynamite for more guaranteed damage, then either back away (What is sombra’s gun good at? Close or long range? What about Ashe’s?), or stand still and get a good shot on her, before she looks at you. Instead, you move around, which messes up your aim, and fumble a few shots. Sombra has spread, you can’t dodge that well against that, so jumping and crouching is pretty garbage. You had your full kit, and you lost in the 1v1 that favored you.

Fight as they cap first - You hear your Sigma spawn in, meaning he’s far behind. You have nothing to contest point with, it’s not winnable. So should you setup in a favorable sniper position, or stay lowground and walk to the point that’s getting capped? You walk in, lucio dives you, and you take mercy’s resources. 2:55, sombra emp’s. No need to worry about ult tracking at this rank, no worries. But you coach gun(Escape tool!!) towards the enemy, rather than your team, and you’re right in front of the enemy D.va. D.va is short range, you are medium-long range. Is this a good matchup for you?
You’re rezzed, you throw dynamite in front of dva(it’s silver, don’t worry about it too much, but remember that dva is HUNGRY for cooldowns like this).

It’s between fights, 5v2, you have time to rotate top, meaning if you get dove, you can drop down instead of using coach to escape. However, you don’t rotate at all and you stick on the ground, in close range. Good target focus, you don’t keep highground though. Hold highground, unless they spend resources on you. Coach gun up to highground, over and over if need be.
Death to dva bomb - you coach into your team, good, but not while maintaining cover. Don’t play in the open, hug corners, you can hide and reload, which is especially important on ashe.
I’m going to stop there, and not overload you with information.
This game was completely turnable with your influence.

What to think about next games: What is my hero good at? Long or short or medium range? How can I position for that? Where is my team?
glhf

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If you play DPS, play with heros like mei, reaper, sym or bastion. Even soldier is a good try. Low elo players have no idea how to deal with these characters and the healing is so unreliable in metal ranks.

Try and see the magic happens.

I mean if you can’t really win against some diamonds are you really worth of being silver :woman_shrugging:
/s

If Mei is that good: Watch TSG_Spooki’s Mei guides (YouTube, he also streams on Twitch), go Mei and dominate. I can promise you that he’s helped me play Mei better in Gold/Plat.

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To add onto this, it isn’t just Mei. If you don’t have multiple people able/willing to play the counters to even a remotely decent Ball, Widow or Pharah/Mercy, you just lose outright or get to play hide and seek all game while they take free potshots at you.

Low level games feel like a race to the bottom where the team who can out gimmick the other team wins and it feels terrible to play into.

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This is very true. I was silver on dps once and silver supports have no idea you need healing even if you ask. Mercy’s will never damage boost you as Ashe either. So unless you want to run around looking for health packs, you need to play a character that can heal themselves.

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I-uh yea? Isn’t that the point

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no. if you bronze you should feel challenged at bronze. if ur silver u should feel challenged at silver.

Uh. What i meant to say is that Silver matches tend to be so intense it almost feels like i’m fighting against GM players. People seems to take cover, takes high ground, can seem to aim properly but not against Pharah/Pharmercy and knows when to switch.

In Bronze everything feels opposite. I rarely sweat in Bronze matches compared to Silver. It was awful.

I have some VOD of silver matches most of it feels like Bronze matches. I wonder why my matches seemed intense for some reason.

This is such an classic brotrash response. Do you really think putting words into the mouth of the other person does anything other than prove your own stupidity? What kind of people do you interact with in your daily life?? Do they actually fall for that nonsense?? I don’t actually know anyone IRL dumb enough communicate at that level of stupidity, so I can’t even imagine how people get that stupid. Do you all sit around and smoke paint thinner together or something?

I can’t respond any further because nothing you wrote is coherent enough to respond to. How you got the idea I think the MM “secretly hates me” from saying the matching system makes matches “unbearable” is a mystery not even a God would know. Do you really think criticizing the matching system equates to thinking it singles out me specifically? Man, all I can do is be really, really happy and appreciative I wasn’t born with whatever substance you have in your skull where a brain is supposed to go. God help us.

Thanks for the feedback! I read your whole comment, but just quoted a single line, ignore that. I very much appreciate it! Yeah, I probably should go Soldier more often. I find him more boring to play, but in comp, it’s about winning. Agreed on the positioning and making more use of highground. I actually do usually take highground more often, but in that match, I felt like I needed to try to protect my support a bit more bc of Sombra and they weren’t going highground at all. I prob should have done it more anyway though.

On the aim percentage, you might not have watched the whole match. I missed some shots early but caught up as the match went on. I ended up at 38% scoped, 13% crit scoped but lately, over the past 6 months, I tend to shoot 45-50% scoped, 15-20% scit scoped. I will def watch your replay code, thanks for watching mine!

THANK YOU, sincerely, so much thanks for the Vod review, I can’t express how much I appreciate you taking your own time to help me.

For yours, I’m gonna re-read it again while I actually have me replay on and find the exact moments in the match you are specifying. I remember some of them right away by your description. LOL, that one 1v1 w Sombra, I know exactly what you mean, I should have coached her away and I missed like 5 shots in a row :joy::man_facepalming::man_facepalming::man_facepalming: so embarrassing… I got her back later, but yeah, I played that fight so badly. But the part where I should have noticed my Sig was way behind and shouldn’t have tried to contest, and the 5v2 I had time to setup better, these are the types of things I know I really need to improve, so this is gonna be really helpful for me once I have the replay up to see what you mean. LOL, I also remember that Dva bomb, but again, I can’t wait to see what you mean about my positioning… I def need to hug corners and walls more. Thanks again!!

Yeah, that does make sense. I mean, I’m always noticing that the teams that use those heroes do win more. I find them sort of boring but I need to try to win, so I might need to just give in.

Lol, I know you are kidding, but I do actually win against a lot of diamonds… Just not nearly enough.

Will do, thanks! I just subscribed to his YT and Twitch so I won’t forget.

I could not have worded this better. :100:

Wow…your pathetic and cringe response aside…

I did watch your VOD.

The game was FAAAAAAR from a stomp. What would really help is you actually hitting your shots and not feeding your dynamite to enemy D.va.

Now I know it’s Silver but…everyone will tell you that at this level the most reliable way to climb out of there is to outskill the enemy mechanically. It’s that simple. So I’d suggest in some aim training or switching to a less aim intensive hero.

Also…do you know you can quick scope with Ashe? As a Ashe main it’s something you should probably know.

Good luck.

Team #1: Pushes cart to the end of the map - Score 3
Team #2: Doesn’t make it out of spawn area and barely pushes cart around first corner. Score -0

Team #1 - 55 Eliminations / 50 Deaths
Team #2 - 152 Eliminations / 26 Deaths

You don’t have to call that a stomp. You can say it’s FAAAAAARRRRR from a stomp if you like. I call that a stomp.

I hit 38% scoped, 13% crit scoped, and yeah, that’s very low. I didn’t want to post a VOD review code of my having one of my better matches. I usually shoot 45-50% scoped and 15-20% crit scoped.

Yes, I fed my dyamite to Dva several times that match.

Not much of a quickscoper yet, I don’t claim to be “good” at anything, but yes, I know she can quickscope.

Welcome to the jungle. This will be a huge post. I almost reached gold 5 at the end of season 3. Previous rank up serie I’ve been dropped 2 ranks after a 5 wins -12 losses, and my new current serie is 2 wins for 11 losses…I mean come on, I became suddenly so bad since season 4 start and even more after a good derank ? :sweat_smile: As a support player, I really think I don’t belong here, I do great heal and often some k’s over other supports, I die less because of my positioning, I do nice damage/kills to support the most I can.

But when the matchmaker gave you DPS who are aware of…absolutely nothing, worst positioning ever in the middle of nowhere, whining for heal when they instant die and you already do the most to compensate their gaps, Sym lasers ? lool what is that, staying under the 3 lasers like larvas still shooting straight forward like a stupid crazy bull charging a red flag, and the support have to shoot the lasers to help them. A Moira who was in front of your Bastion fades behind to flank the low HP support who is healing him ? So what, your Bastion is still shooting at the tank who is being healed while the Moira grasps your last HP, so you die, your Bastion dies, and the enemy tank is great. Everyone is happy. And your Bastion at spawn : “HEAL PLEASE FFS”…really this is a joke and sometimes I just laugh out loud for real. Your DPSs are dying ? Doesn’t bother your Moira, she continues her solo business grasping DPS enemies HP and lauching biotic purple orbs, dying alone in the middle of enemies, who cares (not her obviously). BUT, she knows very well how to use her yellow orb to heal herself…

This is so frustrating to see all the mistakes. You know it is just impossible for your team to win because your players have just beginner skill, I mean, really bronze 5 second game for some of them. And a huge tank diff can be enough to ruin your game. Against a nice Ramattra and his teamkill key, you pray for a very nice tank and team. And I say to myself “omg, if our tank is not a tank but just here to complete his 3 roles challenge, we’re just dead”.

Fun fact ? You have very high tolerance (I really have by far and always “gg” the winners, “it’s just a game”, and so on) for months and when someday you are really tired of this broken ranking/mathmaking system, you relate this on the forum and some players will always tell your problem is positioning, or attitude, or whatever else. No it’s just not, when my teammates are brainless, I can’t do anything to change it. If the tank dives completely alone to a certain death, you can do nothing, if your DPS are aware of nothing, you can’t always repeat them obvious silver things they should know since long time : “Reaper/Tracer/Sombra flanking, please watch out and help”, “D.va fallback, you go too far we can’t heal you”, “Sym’s lasers, please shoot it because a support can’t maintain a player against three lasers”, when you heard “IT’S HIGH NOON” do you really need to say “please hide, Cassidy’s ult” because players just go in the middle to shoot something at this moment ?! In silver 1 rank, almost gold, seriously lol ? Do we really, really need to say “please focus healers” because they prevent players from dying ? The top of obvious things in a role game…But nooo they shoot at the tank forever because he is the worst threat to them and they have absolutely no understanding of the game mechanics, heroes interactions and so on. IMO, this can’t be happening in silver.

But yeah, I guess it’s me positioning and/or attitude problem in a team game :upside_down_face:

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