Here's the problem

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All these arguments; role q, balancing, everything. It all comes down to one central and fundamental problem with Overwatch:

We can’t play who we want to play. Thats it.

I’m a dps main (surprise) and sure, while playing tanks and support have lower queue times, I prefer to play dps. Because that’s what I like to play. 222 has made it easier to play who we want, but we have to sacrifice queue times for it. What we could do is incentivise people to play other roles, but it doesn’t solve the fundamental flaw. If my favourite hero is Tracer, and I want to play Tracer, I’m queuing as a dps. That’s it. Thats who I want to play, so that’s what I have to do.

“Play Classic then!” I will, and I do. In my experience, it’s become a 6v6 dps deathmatch with an objective somewhere. I lose a lot and my team comp is terrible buuuuuuutttt at least I’m playing Tracer!

But lets say I want to play regular QP. I queue for 10 mins, lock in Tracer, get told to switch (or get flamed otherwise) and then I play someone else or risk being a toxic teammate.

Here’s the next problem. The other contributor to this is the meta. Before I mained dps I was a Dva one trick. I don’t find any of the other tanks fun or interesting, so I don’t like playing them as much. This is probably the main reason why I haven’t done my tank placements yet. I’ll be told to switch to Orisa or Sigma or Hog, and sure I can do it, but now I’m not enjoying the game.

People complain about balance because their mains aren’t meta, or their mains are hard countered by the meta and they have to play/learn something else. Yes Overwatch is a game about being flexible, but it’s way more fun when you get to play who you want. The less restrictive a meta is, the more fun people will have.

TLDR: Giving DPS incentives to play tank/support won’t work, and this meta is too restrictive to be fun for a lot of the playerbase.

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I am trying to learn Ana and oh boi… The toxicity makes me not want to even try.

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Really? I’ve gotten nothing but positive from ana, she’s even easier to aim with than the dps I normally play

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It is because I suck at support, I think. Idk.

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2-2-2 isn’t the problem, it’s that some heroes don’t work in a 2-2-2 setting and some heroes excel in this type of team comp.
Jeff said himself that there needs to be some balancing to help with the role queue change but they’re too slow in actually doing anything so we’re left with this heaping pile of a garbage meta.

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It’s not hard to be bad at Ana. If your teammate asks you to switch off Ana, or (not and) you have anything less than gold healing, you should absolutely switch. I know, toxic people are bad. But please don’t play Ana if you are only learning her and aren’t doing well… It’s selfish.

Easier to aim does not equal easy to aim.

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I don’t know if it’s the genuine OG tank main card I carry around with me and all the privilege giving me a pass, but no one has given me crap for learning Sigma in comp. And I use to bandy around a 28% win rate with him on a public profile.

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This is remarkably insightful.

PreroleQ, we had to fill, couldn’t play what we wanted without trashing the team comp.

PostQ now the fillers CAN play what they want but DPS mains get long queue times, so they feel they can’t.

Everyone wants to play what they want, but the game doesn’t support it without it becoming a clown fest.

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Im just trying to play DPS right now because I want to finish my DPS placements + I got bored of tanking

Ive had like 3 8+ minute queues, one being a 9 minute queue with someone leaving as the match started, cancelling it.

I just want to play DPS man ._.

Edit: Currently sitting in another 8+ minute queue. This is insane.

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Then where should he practice? If he gets told to switch in qp and comp and doesn’t have the right composition in classic (ie 5 dps) where can he practice?

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I just did 5 tank placements i never play tank and was most boring hour of my life.

I went ahead and just dc’d on the 5th i was about to fall asleep

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he never specified were he was practicing her, if it was Comp id say that is the wrong place to practice a Hero, if it was QP I would say to explain your practicing or if they are being unreasonable and/or toxic just to ignore them

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I have to learn somehow. And quite frankly, I could not possibly care less about the people I am deranking. As far as I am concerned, they can leave the game and take that clean 50 drop.

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I only ask Ana’s to swap if Zen has gold healing. If thats the case then yeah you’re doing pretty bad.

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I think the real issue is that I kept getting Baptiste players as my duo. That is the only other healer I will play. So… I am sort of stuck regardless of how awful I am doing.

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Overwatch is a team based game. If you can’t be flexible and play as a team, then go play Fortnite or Deathmatch or something. Everybody wants to be a big dang hero, and get tons of kills, and do fk all as far as working with your team goes. In short, Y’ALL GREEDY, and that’s how you “have fun.” 2/2/2 has made the green eye’d monster come out the woodworks for a lot of ppl, and you know what? Overwatch simply isn’t for you. Really. The whining is getting out of hand, and it comes down to foot stomping and being stubborn and never wanting to switch because “this is how I have fun.” Losing over and over again? Isn’t fun, for anyone. Be flexible, or gtfo.

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I can’t help but feel like you’re missing OP’s point: They WANT to be able to play as a team, but as the character of their choosing. And with the current state of the game, as designed, that’s not exactly possible for a large majority of the cast.

I’ve been lucky enough to have found my favourite amongst characters that have either been staples, or, at least, been able to fly under the radar. Others haven’t been as lucky.

I simply don’t feel it’s fair to blame people for having favourites, as the OW team did a fantastic job in bringing these heroes to life, and giving them appealing kits. What they failed to take into account, however, was that people will have favourites, and they will want to play those characters as much as they can. Thinking otherwise is silly. This made worse by choosing to employ the RPG trinity into a system that scarcely benefits from it.

All that being said, however, I can only hope that they do well to keep their promise of better balance with the new 222 structure in place; done well, it may well help alleviate some issues. There’ll still be metas, of course, but hopefully they’ll be less rigid.

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It will work, it’s just going to take a while due to their slow development.

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What’s the problem now? /s.

Who is WE? You’re not everyone. That’s it. Period.
I still can choose 3 roles & from 30+ heroes im each equally fine & good with just sayin’.

Congrats. But… I gotta say that it’s not just dps who’s getting higher queue times.

Oh so this the problems now?? Literally EVERY friiking meta’s been a ‘‘pRoBlEm’’ according to players on this community…

if you’re not enjoying game just cause other random players are telling you to play something else then… you know why are you even listening them?

No they actually complain about literally everything regardless of what the situation is.

Smh… You still can have fun regardless of what the meta is, etc. Stop scapegoating.
Also, fun is subjective.

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Honestly, the game’s balance is bad enough I’m not sure you can really just practice anywhere without being a jerk to someone if the hero you want to practice is bad.

In QP Classic some of my matches opponents are things like Sigma + Orisa + Moira + Sym + Lucio + Mei. If you are going to try practice a hero into that and your pick isn’t a powerful hero that’s probably going to be a loss for your team from the get go.

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