I don’t enjoy playing who has the better widow simulator… please chuck the map out of comp til it’s reworked to actually be good and not relied on which team has the better widowmaker.
At least add flank routes (no not the hilariously obvious, garbage ones installed now)… like jesus you can’t even get CLOSE to the widow which is why it ends up turning into “who has the better widow?”
Literally this game in a nutshell right now
I love this map! All long range maps are ‘widow simulators’. and there are 3 of those.
Havana, junkertown, aaaaand???
They also tend to be the least fun maps so… wonder why?
Seems like every map has a long Widow sightlines somewhere. Kings Row, Havana, Busan, Junkertown, Hollywood, Dorado, Ilios, Numbani, Rialto, honestly almost all the maps even some I didn’t name. Tired of play Widow or lose, I could learn Widow yeah, but I don’t like playing traditional snipers…
Widow is not an issue in most ranks … I like Havana and I am not a Widow player.
I’ll take Havana over Dorado any day of the week though.
Widow is a problem when no one wants to play Winston or a regular shield tank. The fact you have to waste abilities as a dive DPS make them unviable if they have a single person to help peel for the widow or the widow just grapples away.
Technically yeah, the widows in lower ranks might not have the scary aim GM players have, so you might be able to still win if she can’t hit her shots. But there is always the “if” she hits her shots, well now you’re feeding for being out of position in Widow’s sight.
Even smurf Widows are usually not a problem … most matches are absolutly onesided where a good Widow can’t work because of her team or your team get rolled anyway. And if you get shot while out of position it’s your fault.
biggest lie ever told
IF red team has a good Widow, u wont be able to roll her team bcs u already lose 1-2 members before the fight breaks out.
To OP: Its a snipermap, absolutely horrible map, probably the worst payload map, Rialto comes close but not as close bcs, section A and C on Havana is a Joke. Widow can camp the tower on Defence side and got full POV till attacker spawn. If the Widow hits her shots U CANNOT leave the spawn without exposing yourself. If red team got a Widow which hits her shots, its very likely to get fullhold bcs how short the defence way is, and the sightlines again enables Widow from every side. Absolutely bad map.
Ah yes. The classic “If you’re not playing hide and seek with the widow well enough? Just get better”
Havana and HLC are the least fun maps in the entire game tbh
Horizon either ends in under 2 minutes or nobody makes ANY progress, very little room for middle ground
Havana… Frankly, I just don’t care about two Widowmakers having a d*ck measuring contest. All you can really do is A) hope yours is better/luckier or B) make their Widow’s life a living hell, never let her exist, and hope nobody peels for her. And I like Ashe but can’t Widow, so guess what? Even playing a similar hero doesn’t work it’s ONLY Widow that’s this obnoxious
Even when you make a plan and play as a team, which makes Overwatch really cool and fun, it just isn’t fun on Havana. I will always play Winston/Sigma on that map just to screw with the enemy Widow, because there never hasn’t been one. And if people can’t decide if Widow is fair this far into the game’s life, I can’t help but wonder who at Blizzard thought it’d be a good idea to make a map where Widow is literally the only must pick
its a pretty terrible map but most maps are widow simulators
Snipers exist in the game and like any “niche” have maps designed for them to excel on. I mean the game is a test of skill at least in theory… as you said, better Widow wins… that’s the point of the game IIRC.
No as in whoever has the better widow wins the game. It’s so out of control for the other players you might as well turn it into a widow 1v1 tournament and whichever team’s widow wins gets the SR. It’s garbage.
Except they can excel on like… 90% of the maps in this game?
This is literally like complaining who has the better tank wins… other players still matter, what are the other 5 players doing?
Yes, Snipers do well on most maps to some degrees - they are … snipers… 
Look, I am sympathetic to the sniper problem, but just ditching sniper-friendly maps is not the answer. Multiple solutions exist to make snipers less efficient in OW; but every suggestion the community balks at. They have to live with that decision. IIRC Widow just got damage drop-off on range from 60-85m…
What’s wrong with Dorado? I thought we all loved that map. It’s one of my favorites.
No it’s really not. You can at least DO something against those tanks that are doing something to your tanks. Against widow? It’s, you run widow to counter her… or you lose cause nothing else counters her.
So it’s like that but 10x worse on Havana where there are no flank routes so you can’t even GET CLOSE to the widowmaker and it’s just one big sight line outside of 2nd point.
And that’s the… problem …
Well it’s a good thing I don’t want that. I already said what I wanted in the OP.
I’ll even quote it for you…
It’s the same exact problem on first point junkertown. There are ZERO flank routes that actually provide what a flank SHOULD be. Getting behind the enemy team unnoticed. 1st point junkertown and practically ALL of Havana has this issue.
Just curious what tier are you playing at? GM?