That is your opinion.
Maybe those people are done with players circumventing punishments after 4 years of this garbage. I wouldnât do it but canât say I blame them.
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Exactly. Delete their discord if they must and delete their accounts. Continuing to bring attention back to the issue does not help.
I canât agree with that. Sending violent threats over a video game will never be justified.
Ban them from all online games absolutely. I just do not approve of violence over something like this.
Who cares? I get it, itâs nonsense people can cheat. Itâs frustrating beyond words. But death threats? Thatâs absolutely ridiculous, and under no circumstance should such behavior be âunderstoodâ.
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Look Iâm not saying youâre lying but, who am I gonna believeâŠ
The game director for Overwatch and all-around good guy papa Jeff
Or mr. 11 total posts with a troll meme battletag?
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Maybe that is the only way they will learn that cheating will have real consequences.
After 4 years I expect people are done that done with it. I personally think smurfs are the scum of the earth because they are actively ruining the game for everyone much like cheaters are. I wouldnât wish death on them but I certainly want them completely gone from the community.
Except there clearly shouldnât lol. The punishment for cheating is pretty clearly stated. Itâs pretty fairâif youâre going to ruin the experience of others by cheating, then youâre not allowed to play.
If you want to argue that he deserves shaming for lying about cheating or circumventing then ban then posting about it, then go ahead. Thatâs a different argument. But, weâre talking about getting banned for cheating. Thatâs a pretty dang fair punishment. In all honesty, I find that not recognizing that someone is getting an excessive punishment because Jeff thought itâd be funny to roast him and leave the thread open, and now theyâre getting death threats, is more lacking in compassion than saying that they should just get the punishment they deserve.
Well yeah thatâs fair. I donât necessarily feel sorry for the dude, but like I said, I think itâs worth pointing out that Blizzard did wrong here and that they should be scrutinized for enabling bad behaviors. Itâs not the first time that Jeff has done something like this, eitherâthere was a previous occasion in which Jeff tried to accuse some guy of lying after the guy claimed he was falsely banned for one-tricking (I believe he was a Torb one trick) and I believe said that he was banned for cheats, then the guy posted actual proof that he was falsely banned and basically BTFOâd Jeff. Like⊠to me, that a developer would consider it appropriate to behave in that way is appalling. It really makes me question the goodwill of the devs. Iâm sure Jeff felt totally justified in roasting a cheater (again, emphasis on I donât actually know if this dude did or notâfrom what people are saying, it sounds like he did, but with the way Blizzard has falsely banned people before for peripheral programs and Jeffâs aforementioned behavior, Iâd need to see the proof to be fully convinced), but I think he needs to be aware that his actions have consequences, too, and itâs not Jeff reaping what Jeff sowed 
I donât take issue with Jeff saying, âwe found cheats on this account.â
I take issue with him saying âByeâ (which, letâs be fair, is an obvious jab) and then leaving the thread open rather than closing it as forum CoC outlines as the appropriate response to threads discussing punishments. That is what caused an issue here. Also, he realistically shouldâve taken down the image that the dude posted w/ his personal information on it.
If he had taken down the image and just locked the thread, I donât think weâd be in this situation. Instead, he apparently felt the need to be cheekyâwhich, while understandable, is also a little petulant coming from a dev.
Iâm aware. Why didnât Jeff lock it at the time? By the time the other mods locked it, the damage of what Jeff did and didnât do was done.
Are you seriously going to try to justify death threats on the basis that itâs only affecting this dude and that, because he continues to post, itâs somehow merited?
Again, there are standards that Blizzard themselves outlined for dealing with this kind of stuff. They are not upholding them. As a consequence, this dude is dealing with consequences far beyond what he should be dealing with for cheating in a video game. That issue you mention about him persisting in talking about this ban? Thereâs a guideline in the forums for that: lock, and ban. Thatâs what shouldâve happened, and it wouldâve been 100% justified. Not this whole conversation about whether this guy should be dealing with death threats because he (ostensibly, based on the other thread) believes he was falsely banned for cheating in a game.
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Ugh, no. I donât need jeff to tell or indicate what should or shouldnât be done, and for all honesty, Iâm not a fan of him. Cheating in games should receive criminal offense treatment in my mind, that thought was there for at least 10 years. And, them getting morally condemned for cheating alone is imo still very very minor punishment comparing what they are doing to the whole scene.
Selling cheats should be convictable, and therefore buying it, which is partically abidding it, should be too.
If u think it shouldnât, just compare it to piracy, itâs the same situation but for movie industry, and is less direct.
The real lack of compassion and, from this reply alone, logic, is that u are clearly not understanding the consequences of cheaters have on the game as a whole, and playersâ enjoyment of it, if not the loss it causes for companies that are forced to battle it time after time.
well you kinda blew up the news, even the german news!
https://mein-mmo.de/overwatch-chef-bringt-cheater-zum-schweigen/
Yes, he shouldâve, but it was beyond stupid to post personal information in the first place.
Jeff is a human too, and he does make mistakes. He made a jab. Again developers have feeling and can be sarcastic. You cannot expect to never see sarcasm from them. He should take responsibility for not deleting the image and make sure he never leaves something like that again, but the jab was justifiable.
Letâs say you get arrested for stealing a loaf of bread. Security cameras and numerous eyewitnesses saw you do it. You have no hope of winning a trial.
Despite this, you plead ânot guiltyâ, are found guilty by the court, and appeal it, forcing the trial to go to a higher court. Every time you appeal (Which, fun fact, in the real world, costs the government a lot of time and money each time you appeal and go to court), the court still finds you guilty. It goes all the way up to the Supreme Court, and they find you guilty.
For the trouble that youâve caused for society, appealing a frivolous crime over and over, the punishment has been escalated each time. Now the punishment is much more severe than it would have been if you had simply pleaded âguiltyâ and accepted the punishment at the start.
The longer you refuse to admit your crime and waste everyoneâs time arguing over it, the more you are punished for said crime.
Think about all of the cheaters who just accepted their punishment and moved on from the game without a fuss. Do they get death threats? I imagine not. You and I donât even who they are or what their battletags are. If we encountered them in a different game or on social media, we would never know.
This guy is stirring up the hornetâs nest, over and over, and heâs suffering the consequences. He brought this on himself.
Nowhere in the guidelines does it say that the mods HAVE to do it, nor does it say exactly WHEN they need to do it. When, or if, the thread gets locked is entirely up to the modsâ discretion.
Otherwise, Blizzard would need to comb the forums for every single thread and reply that violates the Code of Conduct, and make sure every last one of them gets the appropriate punishment. Which would cost them lots and lots of time and money.
Blizzard is not responsible for the actions of its playerbase, especially those taken outside of their official platforms. Blizzard has not broken any rules, nor should they be held responsible for the death threats that this person has received outside of this platform.
Especially since all Jeff said was:
"we detected and reviewed multiple cheats on this account.
goodbye"
Calling out, ridiculing and banning a cheater isnât wrong. And thatâs literally all Blizzard did here.
Or enjoying the show.
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Me cheatin, me killin fun of others⊠others hattin me⊠mimimi
Ok death threats is definitely uncalled for, but the hate messages? I mean, you kind of forfeit wanting to have âfunâ when you installed third party software to give yourself an unfair advantage.
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I honestly think the jab wouldnât have been a big deal if he had taken down the image and locked the thread. It was more so dumping gas on a fire of other bad decisions on his part.
Like I said, itâs understandable, but itâs also petty coming from a dev, and it did contribute to an overarching bad move on his part.
Yeah uh, no, this a bad analogy. Trials are not forced to a higher courtâupper courts can reject taking a case, particularly one where guilt is irrefutable. Punishments are often cappedâyouâre not going to be escalated to decades in prison for a loaf of bread, because the justice system has a sense for what is and isnât a reasonable punishment (usually, since itâs constitutionally required). And, well⊠hate to break it to ya, but we donât actually have enough evidence to say for certain whether or not this dude is guilty of using cheats. Weâre pretty much operating on his and Jeffâs word here, and some speculation from an Overbuff account. And, I hate to say it, but Jeff and Blizzard have been wrong before.
So, weâre looking at this situation where a guy who claimed he was falsely banned is continuing to post about it, we donât actually have the evidence to say one way or another, and Jeff, rather than just following the protocol that Blizzard laid out for dealing with people posting about punishments, decided not to uphold those protocols, and as a consequence, this dude is getting death threats. Might he have gotten some if Jeff did the right thing? Maybe, possibly not. Would this dude continue to be posting if Jeff had just issued the appropriate punishment in the first place and lock the thread/banned him for A) posting about punishments, and B) admitting to circumventing a ban? Maybe, but plausibly not.
If you really want an accurate analogy, itâs like a dude showed up at your town hall claiming the police wrongfully fined him $200 for petty theft and starts throwing chairs around because heâs angry about it. He doesnât show evidence to back up his claim, the police donât provide any evidence that he did commit petty theft, weâre just taking them both at their word. Oh, and thereâs a sorta sketchy video of him walking out of a gas station with a hot dog, but nothing proving he actually did anything wrong. And, at said town hall, the chief of police decides to say, âsorry, we have proof, get lost clown,â but doesnât bar the guy for causing a disruption for throwing chairs about even though thereâs a policy that protesters will be removed. So the dude just sticks around and throws chairs around because heâs upset about what he thinks is a wrongful fine. And, as a consequence, people get tired of him and start vandalizing his yard, sending him death threats, etc. The guy then shows up later to the town hall to complain about the vandalism and threats, and people start telling him that he deserves said vandalism and death threats for supposedly committing petty theft.
There was no âtrialâ here. There was a unilateral decision by Blizzard to issue a punishment, and we donât have evidence to support either side beyond a default trust in an authority which has been known to be wrong before. Blizzard had opportunities leading up to this point to ensure that appropriate punishment was dealt (assuming they are correct that he was cheating) without allowing all this extra hoopla. Their failure to do so effectively ensured it would ensue. Is the dude making things for himself by sticking around and complaining? Sure, but if he wasnât cheating then itâs completely understandable that he does. Furthermore, that doesnât mean the death threats/harassment suddenly become deserved, nor that we should just excuse Blizzard for enabling extreme responsesâbecause letâs be completely clear, death threats and persistent harassment over a game are extreme.
Which returns me to my shock that anybody would even attempt to justify death threats against someone cheating⊠in a video gameâŠ
Refer to the above. Outlines and standards are created for a reason. Failure to reasonably apply these is entirely worthy of criticism, especially when that failure leads to serious consequences such as those being discussed here.
Please donât be disingenuous. Thereâs a distinct difference between saying, âBlizzard shouldâve upheld their policies that they laid out on a thread on which they were already active,â and âBlizzard should comb the forums to find every single post that violates CoC.â
Jeff actively made decisions and failed to make decisions that allowed the situation to ferment. His negligence, or perhaps even outright maliciousness though I think thatâs likely a stretch, directly allowed a situation to snowball beyond what it ever shouldâve become. Yes, we as a community should absolutely scrutinize those decisions, particularly given that there are guidelines and precedent laid out for how to handle these situations that other moderators have no issue enforcing when they come across similar issues, which have happened in the past and didnât result in these situations. Why? Maybe this is a stretch, but perhaps itâs because they took the correct course of action from the start. Folks didnât need to engage in death-threat apologism because none were ever made because people were satisfied with how the situation had been handled. That you and others are engaging in it here is frankly disgusting.
Entirely your own fault.
And the worst part is youâve obviously learned nothing from it as you still wonât own up to very obvious cheating.
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I recommend not further engaging with him, since imo heâs over-apologetic and unconditionally forgiving above our average forum users, which might or might not be a bad thing in general, but it feels like it is in this case.
He might be right on a pure logical aspect, but his âlogical doubtâ of the conviction and his pure belief of established punishment being enough on its own is a big contradiction. Not sure how u can convince a self-contradicting person, in this case.