Hard Pills to Swallow - Mercy

[WhateverAlex-1969]

I know I’m so glad they removed performance based SR

[Cnflagration-1760]

Pretty sure they fixed the mercy climbing with low win rates before performance based sr was removed, but so am I, glad it no longer exists at higher ranks.

[WhateverAlex-1969]

I mean, they could’ve just killed performance SR 🤷🏻

[Cnflagration-1760]

Well they did! I can see why they are keeping it for lower ranks, but has cons there too.

[JessAGamer-1710]

I think a better way of reworking her rez would have been to make it LOS, and have a slightly longer range (rather than being in a 10-20m or whatever distance sphere around her, make it direct line of sight, and up to about 40m). A well placed rez would still get a majority of the team back up and fighting, but there would be no hide-and-seek rezzes.

It’s all academic though, Blizzard did what they did and they’re (probably) not going to pay any attention to this or any other post about it. They’ll listen to their streamers and OWL players, and %@*! the rest of us.

[Macster-11267]

Mercy’s Resurrect could’ve been the Reverse McCree Deadeye

Why didn’t the dev team try to make Resurrect as an ultimate work differently similar to how McCree Deadeye works? It should’ve been everything that McCree can do except the opposite. So instead of Mercy being able to Resurrect allies 70M away and being slowed heavily. Mercy is able to lock onto allies who are in sight of her and are 20M away. Mercy isnt penalized with a movement speed slow so she is able to move freely through the battlefield! Mercy will not be put in an animation so she is a…

This is my idea.

[ConditionG-1397]

Why is it hard to accept she isnt as easy as you think?

[pooch-11428]

• Heroes aren’t balanced solely on pickrate.
• High pickrates don’t automatically mean a hero is “OP”.
• Making statements like “All Mercy mains are toxic.” Also makes you toxic.
• Not all Mercy mains are female or homosexual.
• Not all Mercy mains are “onetricks” who have 100+ hours exclusively on Mercy.
• Flirting with the Mercy on your team, does not mean that they will (nor should) pocket you.
• Pros do not have more knowledge of how the game should play than the devs who made the game itself.
• The “pros” are a minority in the community. That includes a lot of their views on heroes, such as Mercy. They do not share the exact same opinions of everyone else on the hero.
• Mercy’s rework was made due to complaints by non-mercy pro players on “Hide and Seek Mercies”. Most Mercy mains did not want a rework. Allow this fact to be repeated.
• Mercy’s rework was made due to complaints by non-mercy pro players on “Hide and Seek Mercies”. Most Mercy mains did not want a rework.
• “Hide and Seek Mercy” was a hyperbole. There is no data that proved that this was occuring in a large scale, and the justification of it was PR speak to push the rework. At large, it was a myth, because you mostly still need to hide, to pull off a successful res even today.
• Maining mercy is not a religion. There is no cult, church, or synagogue involved with playing the hero.
• Telling your fellow Mercy “I need healing,” is actually helpful. Spamming it 400 meters across the map or in some unreachable part of it, is not.
• Mercy’s mass res was not OP. She was actually underpowered when she had mass res, and the devs had to buff her to make her viable with invincibility.
• Mercy is not a “brain-dead” hero. If you were actually brain-dead you wouldn’t be able to play the game in the first place, let alone breathe or use your eyes to read this. The term is hyperbole. “Brain-dead” heroes in overwatch don’t exist.
• Mercy not requiring aim gives her a low skill floor, not a low skill cieling. Proper positioning, priority, and spatial awareness are just as important to learn as aiming. Mercy not having the option to settle her fights through simply out-powering her enemies and “clicking heads”, makes her one of the most difficult heroes to master in this area.
• Rez does not make your team a 6v7. You have 6 team mates, one dies and makes it a 5v6. One is ressed and makes it a 6v6. The 7th hero, never existed.
• Jeff said that Mercy does not need changes right now. To the dismay of those who hate the hero, yes, that includes nerfs.

Feel free to share this thread to anyone who needs it. These are pills. Pills that are hard to swallow. So please, discretion is advised.

I got a hard pill for you - making a post like this further ruins mercy main’s reputation.

[ZodiHD-1471]

Most of these stereotypes that you keep saying aren’t true, are about 75% of the time.

Mercy also is the easiest character in the game to get value out of with the lowest skill.

[Macster-11267]

I got a hard pill for you - making a post like this further ruins mercy main’s reputation.

Pretty sure it’s hit rock bottom having a devoted thread to idea’s about Mercy being thrown into it with no remorse. So not much to lose imo.

[ConditionG-1397]

Lucio, Rein, and DVA say hi

[Naz-11562]

[ToxicDude-21682]

Lucio, Rein, and DVA say hi

So Mcree say hi too.

[ConditionG-1397]

Not sure what you are trying to say. Can you elaborate your point?

[ToxicDude-21682]

Look at lucio, you can’t get value with low skill , you can’t call him easy!

[Awkward-1942]

Heroes aren’t balanced solely on pickrate.

True.

High pickrates don’t automatically mean a hero is “OP”.

People don’t pick “bad” heroes in comp. You could see this clearly with Hanzo 1.0 being one of the most popular heroes in QP yet non-existent in Comp.

Heroes aren’t strong because they’re picked a lot, they’re picked a lot because they’re strong.

Making statements like “All Mercy mains are toxic.” Also makes you toxic.

True.

Not all Mercy mains are female or homosexual.

True

Not all Mercy mains are “onetricks” who have 100+ hours exclusively on Mercy.

True

Flirting with the Mercy on your team, does not mean that they will (nor should) pocket you.

True

Pros do not have more knowledge of how the game should play than the devs who made the game itself.

How it SHOULD play? Absolutely not.

How it DOES play? I’d say pros have the edge there.

The devs can influence the meta. They can introduce heroes like Brigitte to make Dive less powerful, but at the end of the day, the pros are typically the one spearheading how the meta forms.

They’re the ones who figure out that since Mercy gets punished way easier for bad resses, that the best option is only to res safe targets like Widowmaker, and elevate her to being top tier even during a meta full of “sniper counters” in Dive.

The “pros” are a minority in the community. That includes a lot of their views on heroes, such as Mercy. They do not share the exact same opinions of everyone else on the hero.

True, the pros are a minority and they’re all individuals. You can’t slam “the pros” as a whole for being responsible for the Mercy rework when while a few pros were vocal about it, most weren’t.

Mercy’s rework was made due to complaints by non-mercy pro players on “Hide and Seek Mercies”. Most Mercy mains did not want a rework.

Mercy needed to be reworked. If not then, then several months down the line when Moira dropped and made her gimmick of being a pure healer with minimal utility redundant.

Ana’s meta showed us that Mercy lived and died on her healing throughput. Which worked before Ana existed and post-Winston buff when playing Ana was basically throwing, since Mercy found herself a niche, where she’s viable so long as no-one came close to her throughput, but Moira would have thrown her out of her niche, especially since Moira isn’t extremely difficult compared to Mercy, unlike Ana.

“Hide and Seek Mercy” was a hyperbole. There is no data that proved that this was occuring in a large scale, and the justification of it was PR speak to push the rework. At large, it was a myth, because you mostly still need to hide, to pull off a successful res even today.

The problem with “hide and seek” Mercy wasn’t even relevant to the playstyle at all. It only existed because Performance Based SR massively favoured big resses over tempo resses.

Maining mercy is not a religion. There is no cult, church, or synagogue involved with playing the hero.

True.

Telling your fellow Mercy “I need healing,” is actually helpful. Spamming it 400 meters across the map or in some unreachable part of it, is not.

True. BUT only Healers have silhouettes. YOU know where the person spamming the “I NEED HEALING” button is as a healer, but they have zero clue where you are if they don’t have direct LoS on you.

Mercy’s mass res was not OP. She was actually underpowered when she had mass res, and the devs had to buff her to make her viable with invincibility.

True.

Mercy is not a “brain-dead” hero. If you were actually brain-dead you wouldn’t be able to play the game in the first place, let alone breathe or use your eyes to read this. The term is hyperbole. “Brain-dead” heroes in overwatch don’t exist.

True. “braindead” heroes are just a way for mediocre players to justify the fact that they’re not climbing. “I’m good, but I don’t play ez heroes so I can’t climb!”.

Mercy not requiring aim gives her a low skill floor, not a low skill cieling. Proper positioning, priority, and spatial awareness are just as important to learn as aiming. Mercy not having the option to settle her fights through simply out-powering her enemies and “clicking heads”, makes her one of the most difficult heroes to master in this area.

I wouldn’t say “one of the most difficult heroes to master in this area”, I would argue that both Zen and Ana massively require more spatial awareness of Mercy due to their toolkits.

But that’s not a bad thing. Mercy’s unique playstyle and mobility options make her ideal for handling the “information” part of the game. She’s a great hero for shotcallers, ult trackers and all sorts of necessary parts of the game that don’t revolve around pure mechanical skill.

Rez does not make your team a 6v7. You have 6 team mates, one dies and makes it a 5v6. One is ressed and makes it a 6v6. The 7th hero, never existed.

That’s being pedantic though. Overwatch is such a pick-based game (I think I read a stat that in OWL, 70% or so of fights went to the first team to get a pick) so getting the 5v6 is a huge deal and Mercy erasing that pick is an even bigger deal.

Resurrection is an insanely powerful tool and is easily the largest problem within Mercy’s kit.

Jeff said that Mercy does not need changes right now. To the dismay of those who hate the hero, yes, that includes nerfs.

The Devs aren’t infallible. Mercy has been warping the meta ever since she got reworked.

Any hero having as much power in the meta as Mercy currently does is unacceptable.

It was unacceptable for Ana.
It was unacceptable for McCree.
It was unacceptable for Doomfist.
It was unacceptable for Genji.
It was unacceptable for Lucio.
It was unacceptable for Reinhardt.
It was unacceptable for Dva.
It was unacceptable for Tracer.

And it’s currently unacceptable for Mercy and Hanzo.

I don’t want Mercy dumpstered. Reverting her would simply replace the problem of her being too strong with a problem of being too weak, but letting her dominate the game is making it stagnate, especially in the Support category where through synergy with Mercy, Zenyatta is head and shoulders above every other Support as well.

[ConditionG-1397]

I did not call Lucio easy. I am not the one saying any hero is “easy”. I am saying that there is a learning curve to each hero and the skill in fulfilling their respective roles is there. It is not all about aim. Aim is just what people want to talk about because it allows them to insult heroes who do not use it as their main role function. There is a reason why people who pick even easy heroes struggle to climb with them. There is more to OW than aim.

[Stunlaw-1687]

High pickrates don’t automatically mean a hero is “OP”.

Yeah the pros just pick Mercy all the time because of all her cool skins lol. If you want to win you pick Mercy but that doesn’t mean she’s OP.

[OhiMark-11154]

The only problem i have with Mercy is that i can’t be a dedicated comptitive flex player without becoming a Mercy main. Blizzard’s vision for Overwatch was of a game people can (and are encouraged to) swap frequently to adjust to different scenarios. I don’t dislike Mercy because she’s broken, i dislike Mercy because she murders my options when i try to play my very best. I think that’s a fair enough reason for adjusting her (or other support’s) power level.

[pigmytarzan-1961]

I disagree about the hide and seek bit. Before the rework, nearly every match that included some semblance of a coordinated team had the Mercy hiding on large team battles to effectively undo the team wipe. I don’t need outside data, I’ve witnessed it much too often when Huge Rez was a thing.