Goats is caused by how powerful healing and healing stacking is, not tanks.
Pre-Ana Goats and Tank metas would be impossible due to how much strain it puts on your healers. Just look how much Mercy’s viability dropped going from 60 to 50 HPs.
Armor could just not exist as a concept and Goats would be fine
Goats is a close range comp anyway so D.Va’s defense matrix change is arbitrary at best, she’s just worse outside of this comp, not within it
Zarya will never get a good skin
Is this a hard to swallow pill
or a brutal truth
are we trying to change your mind
the most brutalist brutal slaying mind changing truth ever
I, too, have struggled to find a Zarya skin I like. Barbarian is closest.
I mean, no, GOATs is caused by power creep, so using tanks that have more survivability allows supports to actually use their healing, instead of teammates just getting blown up before anything can be done.
Barbarian exists
i like it at least
Yep. It’s a shame all the skin talent was in the HOTS team. Sure wish the HOTS art team would replace the OW team.
Yep, 100%.
Supports and healing are absurdly good. It’s the reason we had sniper meta shortly (Burst or bust pretty much) and the reason we eventually got Goats.
But you have this massive delusion going on currently on the forums that Widowmaker is somehow responsible for Goats 
Which in the case of Widowmaker is absurd because Overwatch doesn’t have movement acceleration on the ground as other FPS. On top of having to learn multiple target/hitbox which all move differently as well. And a hero that requires significant mechanical skill to perform and has multiple counters.
Meanwhile Moira was booted from the comp the moment they found out Zenyatta was better in her position. Next.
Actually it was definitely possible but at the time buffed Soldier was too good not to take with Nano + His ult, which he got his ult rather fast from healing up everyone with his Biotic Field. There’s also the fact that Lucio has been in every single meta so far but Mercy Dive yet people think healing is the issue, even though the pretty obvious issue is the utility. To get rid of GOATs you’d have to slow them down so they can’t just trample anyone that tries to stop them, however that would just delete Lucio from the game and we’d rather not have that.
Change my hard to swallow brutal truth
she has some of the best skins tho
cyberian
xuanwu
totally 80s
barbarian
Lucio will exist as he is as long as he’s the only wayt to gain speed boosts. Speed is power.
Also The optimization of goats is going to go for as little healing and as much damage as it possibly can. Make no mistake, even with Zen over Moira the heal rates Goats can crap out is actually pretty high compared to how the game used to be.
This isn’t an attack on your favorite hero or anything, its just saying that a comp thats able to heal your tanks from 0 to max in less than 2 seconds is busted, something that didnt exist until Ana was added to the game.
Basically, to kill goats there needs to be in combat and out of combat heal rates. Like a certain better team based class based fps game.
You know what’s a super easy way to get rid of goats? 2/2/2.
And yet, the healers in the Goats lineup are the 3 with the lowest heals…
The damage mitigation from the tanks resulting in less damage being taken overall means that high healing isn’t actually necessary. The off-healers are in the comp because of their utility, not really their healing.
Is it not busted when a sniper can take a squishy from full health to zero in less than 1 second, and it’s literally impossible to outheal the damage?
I think if we really want GOATS to stay dead, we need to address burst damage and powercreep. Otherwise, pros will just keep using tanks over DPS to avoid one-shots.
The holy trinity of forum topics!
That’s funny, because, combined the three GOATS healers have the healing output of Valkyrie and, last I checked, Valk isn’t winning any awards for sustain.
It’s healing COMBINED with the defensive capabilities of the Tanks, not to mention the utility of the healers. It’s not just one or the other.
Not quite sure I understand this one.
Probably.
Untrue.
GOATS is a close-range Comp but D.Va is how it deals with long-range threats, specifically Pharah.
This change will force D.Va into staying closer to the group if she wants to protect them.
But I agree the change was a bit out of nowhere.
B-But…
Totally 80’s…
Now that’s the real tea right there.
honestly, if healing gets nerfed then damage should be nerfed as well. It’s already incredibly stupid that some DPS have longer ttks then tanks without three supports constantly healing them.
Issue is strong healing is the only thing Moira does. Can’t increase her damage even if you increase the aim requirements because the community will uproar, which after all that Zen performs her role as a DPS healer overall better anyway.