Happy to See the Reporting System is Working Perfectly

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Just got this pop up when I logged on today.
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For those who haven’t seen them already, people have been using the LFG system to create groups to throw games (and naming them such). Seen as such below (which literally just took off as I created this thread; don’t worry they got the report sent as well).



I’m glad to see that Blizzard is taking action against these players as it makes me sick to think these people throw their games and ruin it for other people, and then ruin the games for players at lower brackets when they want to climb back up.

I encourage everyone to go into the LFG system for about a minute every day and find groups like these and report them and the creators as well. I would like to thank Blizzard for having updated the reporting system way back, further making the reporting system feel responsive and effective.

[Please do not share the names of anyone that you’ve reported as that is a violation of the ToS, as I’m sure you noticed that I have not; This is not a thread meant to witch-hunt, but a thread to inform those of you out there.]

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Another one bites the dust

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How have your reporting experience been like, guys? Are you all as happy as I am that it’s working perfectly? I might actually get back into competitive if it keeps working this well.

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I saw a group like this the other day.

While they don’t ruin the games for others while throwing, since they are in a 6-stack while doing so, it has really bad side effects like boosting the opposing players who might not even realize that the enemy wasn’t trying and then the worst thing - once they reach their destination they stomp their way back up to repeat the process.

Yes, it does even out in a way but the experience is bad for all the people who are seriously playing in those ranks.

Of course I reported the group. :stuck_out_tongue:

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Thing is that eventually they want to climb back up, so they’ll go and stomp team after team, ruining games for a lot of people.

Good work though. I hope they get their punishment.

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On another account, yes, and it was in the interest of balance and fair matchmaking.

Or do you not care about that?

I’d appreciate if you guys actually answered my question instead of mindlessly reporting an account for something it didn’t do (this account has never deranked)

If you’re getting harassed I understand it, but I literally joined a throw team to NOT screw over people and they are condemning me for it.

Now THAT is pathetic.

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yikes, what’s your problem? if people wanna derank then let them.

honestly people who report others in general are really cringy and lowkey sad.

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Doesn’t matter what account you’re doing it on or what reason you’re doing it for, it’s forceful manipulation of SR and a violation of ToS; you likely wouldn’t have done as bad as you think you would if you played normally. Likely you would drop, but not by much.

The only thing “cringy and lowkey sad” is the fact that people would do perform such a thing.

I’ve noticed your posts in a variety of threads where you love to support rather poor behavior. You wouldn’t happen to be doing the same, would you?

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Wow.
I can’t even…

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I get the reasoning behind some of this (like practicing a new hero) but I don’t see how you couldn’t improve in QP if you are so bad on the hero you want to learn that you would place in the bottom 5% and call it fair.

From my experience, you could learn any hero in QP to a level where you could use it in competitive or be at least on a level that would be about maybe 1 tier below your main tier.

There’s no need to throw and it doesn’t help you playing with others that have significantly lower skill than you (in terms of soft skills like positioning, strategy, game sense and alike) if all you are lacking is basically mechanical and experience with the hero (which both can be again acquired easily in QP up to a certain point).

If you can create a group to de-rank you might as well create a group for people like you who want to learn new heroes and don’t care about winning at first. There’s a difference in losing intentionally (de-ranking) and just playing bad because you play sth you are not very good at and facing higher tier players is a much better and faster way to learn.

Especially since every tier comes with their own play style that is more efficient than others. Also there is a difference between “fair” and “easy” :stuck_out_tongue:

Edit: What I mean to say is that you have a certain “base skill” from playing in Diamond in soft skills that is already an unfair advantage over the others. Like as if you would take a professional football player and let him play basketball, he still knows how to run and how to work as a team, even though he might have to adapt to the new mechanics and rules/restrictions - it’s a pretty good comparison as to how learning new heroes in OW works in my opinion.

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Good to see people being reported and punished for abusing the system. Good job Reaper!

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I found a competitive lfg group that said “no kids, no women”. Got a message today

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That’s not true. I would not have done as well. I did try a couple of games in diamond rank with Ana and my teammates were, rightfully, telling me to switch because I was effectively throwing. I have also had very balanced games in Bronze now that the account in question is in that rank.

You haven’t answered my question.

Because quick play isn’t the same environment as competitive. I don’t feel like I need to prove that statement.
It’s undeniable that there is more communication and teamwork in competitive. Competitive puts you against people that are trying to win.

I’m glad your experience shows that.
My experience, however, says otherwise.
With Ana, for instance, in QP I would be a solo healer as Ana with 5 DPS.
That is not an accurate reflexion of what I need to deal with in competitive.

The QP also thinks I’m around diamond so I will sometimes have QP games with Master players and Diamond players effectively making QP unplayable for my Ana as well.

So, what other option do I have other than deranking?

That is, many times, what these groups are. Perhaps instead of mindlessly reporting them we should see what they mean by “deranking”
When I was “deranking” as Ana I was trying.
I’m just not good with her.

For me, effectively, there isn’t. Why does it matter if we just play bad or lose on purpose? Honestly?
I’d argue that playing poorly on a hero you’re bad with IS throwing. Especially if you’re in a rank that’s way too high.

I argue that there are very little, if any, mechanical skills or even base skills that carry over from Mercy to Ana.
This also isn’t even a logical argument. There are people in gold, currently, that have Diamond game-sense but have Gold or Silver mechanical ability.
Are they giving their team an unfair advantage?

It’s actually, honestly and respectfully, a terrible comparison.
Diamond players are in no way comparable to any professional sport player. Period.
A more accurate comparison would be a high-school senior football player playing with junior or sophomore level basketball player.

Even that, however, fails spectacularly as an analogy since the games are completely different.

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I answered your question. It does not matter. You’re forcefully manipulating the SR system. If you weren’t doing well, you could switch and try again later. You were not “effectively throwing” if you were putting your best effort into it.

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My original question was which do you prefer.

Would you rather me play Ana at a bronze level in diamond (Which is effectively throwing, you’re incorrect about that) and lose every game until I get to bronze, effectively screwing over literally hundreds of people?

Or

Would you rather me join a throw group to get the SR to where I know it should be in an effort to NOT screw over literally hundreds of people?

Your answer is to parrot the TOS instead of actually seeing the big picture.
I’m not doing anything wrong, nefarious, sinister, or unfair in any way.
All I am doing is making it such that I DON’T mess up other people’s games.

Now, what objection, OTHER than it’s “against TOS” can you bring against me deranking the account in that way in order to play fair, balanced games.

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I’d rather you play quickplay if you’re maintaining such a view. It makes me question as to how you could play Ana at a Bronze level as a Diamond player. Quickplay nothing matters so you wouldn’t be throwing by playing her or violating the ToS (inb4 hurrdurr u said “against tos” again). You might actually learn something there that you wouldn’t in competitive: How to be independent; since no one will have your back or communicate.

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We found another one.

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And I’m telling you that’s not an option.
Quickplay is not really a good place to go for practice.
And my QP “MMR” is in the diamond range as well, as mentioned earlier.

So, quickplay is NOT one of the options.

You’re really REALLY avoiding answering my question, it makes me question whether you actually think your position is worth defending.

I did explain this, but the post is deleted for some reason.

I was a Mercy main for a long time and got diamond league in season 3.
I was able to maintain this rank, but I wanted to prove I was actually diamond, so I made another account and got it to diamond as well (playing as Mercy).

Now I want to practice Ana in a competitive environment.
I cannot aim well with Ana at ALL! I am also practicing a new control scheme (no longer using ‘wasd’ for movement.)
I also don’t know anything about her positioning.

Now, your suggestion is to play QP. However, the QP MMR on the account makes it such that I go against diamond players and sometimes even master players.

So, now that we have established that QP isn’t an option I ask again.

What should I do?
Play Ana at a rank I know for a FACT I can’t play her at? Therefore losing many, many games with 100’s of people who want to win, screwing them over in the process.

Or

Join throw groups to get my SR low enough such that the games I play in competitive are fair and balanced while not screwing over ANYONE in the process.

I want YOUR answer. Don’t parrot the TOS please.

This highlights why QP is not an option.
You said nothing matters. That, along with my aforementioned reasons, illustrates why “Just play QP till you’re good enough” doesn’t work.

I am and I do.
As you seem to ignore, the opponents in QP were also way outside of my Ana skill level. I do play some (now that my account is in an appropriate spot) and I do learn.
However, if I keep dying immediately every teamfight since I’m going up against diamonds and masters as a bronze level Ana I’m not going to learn much.

Your argument against my actions amounts to, to use your inflammatory language, “hurrdurr TOS says X therefore X”

There are laws that are immoral and there are terms in the TOS that are unfair.

So, again, what should I do? Remember, for the last time: QP is not an option and I know the TOS so please don’t quote it.

If you can’t find a logical reason, then I am justified in my action. Regardless of the TOS or any ban that account may get.

If I’m wrong, which I can be, I want to know it. You just have to do a good job showing I’m wrong.

For convenience here are the two, count them, two options:

What should I do?
Play Ana at a rank I know for a FACT I can’t play her at? Therefore losing many, many games with 100’s of people who want to win, screwing them over in the process.

Or

Join throw groups to get my SR low enough such that the games I play in competitive are fair and balanced while not screwing over ANYONE in the process.

I want YOUR answer. Don’t parrot the TOS please.

I await your reply and thanks for your time.

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Can anyone in this thread show me where the TOS for overwatch is even located at, I’m having trouble finding it.

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Wait, if 6 throwers group up, that’s actually harming nobody.

Some people want to get as low of a SR as possible.

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They’re going to want to climb again at some point, right?