Hacking, but the conversation is now about smurfing lol

I think a program which automatically identifies cheaters/hackers would count to cybersecurity.

That it a good idea for sure, thanks.

How does smurfing (being a good player) count as cheating?

Okay I see. when people say computer science, they are typically referring to subjects more along the lines of programming/software engineering. If you are referring to cyber security then I think that makes a lot more sense (and would technically be a subset of that), but I’ve never heard anyone refer to it as CS before…

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I sounds kinda weird i know. But creating an additional account to play against new players could count. Its not really cheating but definitely unfair

Cheating and unfair are 2 different things. Plenty of heroes are unfair yet they are a part of the game. Obviously being good is not cheating this is a terrible question to which you already know the answer.

i dont think smurfing is bannable since high profile streamers have been doing unranked gm streams for years and never been banned

unless of course they ban people who are ā€œunknownā€ you’re average joe i mean…

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Then let it count to something else which is bannable. I hate smurfs :smiley:

If you hate people for being better than you at the game then don’t play the game. This is a skill issue and a mental fortitude issue.

Yeah skill issue is the problem when it comes to smurfing. I dont hate people who are better then me but if they are loosing many games on purpose to play against players which are much weaker, then i do hate them. And its definitely a mental fortitude issue if you cant keep up with other players which have the same rank as you, so you decide to smurf.

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That makes 0 sense if I am at that rank then by definition I can keep up with them. Your statement is completely redundant.

Because the mathmaker works so well lol.

Btw. Should I change the title of the topic, it seems to be more about smurfing from now on. And as you stated earlier that its not cheating it would kinda make sense.

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Blizzard has never encouraged smurfing.

maybe not encouraged, but they took a very ā€œeh whateverā€ stance compared to other games do.

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what…other games? Siege did nothing as far as I know, besides that you had to reearn the operators. So what other games did something?

there is just…one problem with it, a legit one mind you
What if, lets say me, play on pc for so long, gets really good, good gamesense and positioning
Then I go onto console and make a whole new account and dont bother linking.
Is that…smurfing? since technically it is, but also…different

I’m not white knighting or anything, but they actually did say that they don’t want smurfing in Overwatch. But it is what it is. We have more smurf accounts than actual live accounts now due to OW2 being F2P.

Being against something as a developer means they need to find solutions to make that something impossible to achieve by players aka smurfing. They could’ve done what the Koreans have done for years and use our SSN and have it locked to one account, meaning we wouldn’t be able to make more than one account. Alternatively, they could’ve made it so that we need an actual mobile phone subscription and not just a mobile phone number, since prepaid numbers and sim cards are so easy to get a hold of…

But there’s another problem to preventing smurfing as well. That’s the constant moaning about any preventive measure they put in place… All the moaning about it are coming from people who smurf on multiple accounts, obviously…

Hey, so to answer this and a few questions you ask since it is for study.

There are a number of ways they detect cheaters, we don’t know most of them, but you would have to assume they have a program capable of detecting software on someone’s PC that will get them banned. I’ve seen a number of games cancelled when watching streams because the cheater basically turned up the settings to try to force a win. I assume when you hit a certain threshold the software can detect this isn’t natural aiming/movement.

They also, for good or bad, go by player reports. There have been numerous occasions when professional OWL players or just high profile streamers have been banned. Birdring has been banned twice since OW2 release, and no he wasn’t smurfing, was just on an alt account in top500 games. Chazm I’m also pretty sure got banned, being a contenders player again it isn’t likely he is a cheater. So although the reports can be good for catching people who don’t trigger method1 is also causes some false positives which can be difficult to overturn.

For the question of smurfing, smurfing is a bit scummy. Making yourself feel big because you’re stomping someone lower elo/skill says a lot about that person tbh. Alt accounts are different to smurf accounts, just for clarity. But smurfing isn’t cheating, however you can still get banned for it, as said above, if you get reported enough times then blizz drops the ban hammer. I can tell you right now that a high elo widow playing in low elo games will absolutely look like a cheater to those players.

As for what happens when banned. Yes you will have an account banned and can appeal. You could make a new account, but that requires a new phone number and unlocking the new heroes + the loss of in game content (skins etc). They can also hardware ID ban you so that even if you make a new account you get banned again almost instantly.

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Thanks for taking time to explain it :innocent:

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Yes, it does.
When you report someone for cheating, you have the option to report them for ā€œDeranking/Boostingā€.
So yeah, smurfing is cheating and it is a reportable offense.

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If u needa smurf cuz u tired of losing that def a skill issue my boy and mean u can’t keep up wit the peeps in ur rank :skull::skull: tf u on about??

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