is Sombra can completely shut down Lucio, and no one complains
then why is her disabling inspire not allowed
she’s allowed to make one passive essentially useless, yet not another that does exactly the same thing?
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oh its this topic again…
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Well my answer is, if Brigitte’s shield bash doesn’t work through shields even though it’s a melee and Doomfist’s punch thing does, and consistency is already sacrificed for “balance” then there’s really nothing wrong with Sombra’s hack disabling one passive and not the other because we already established that consistency doesn’t mean jack when the assumption is that balancing is needed.
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Lucio still has a ranged attack, though.
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It has already been explained why from a game stand point, logic stand point, and consistent stand point why hack does not disable inspire
I will not explain it again if you’re just going to ignore it
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Brigitte’s passive is a consequence of her hitting someone with her mace. Lucio’s crossfade and wallride are tied to a button press.
Alright, this topic’s a wrap. Everyone here can have a good night.
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Cross fade only changes an aura that was enabled from the beginning of the match with no input from Lucio.
“Sense” would be disabling cross fades ability to swap, not the passive aura itself.
But that’s the point- hack doesn’t make sense. We have some semblance “rule of thumb”, but nothing set in stone.
At the end of the day what hack does and doesn’t effect, is a case by case basis that has previously been subject to change, as decided by the devs.
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Anyone else getting Deja vu?
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Because sombra hacks technology/biotechnology.
She cannot hack away someone’s state of being inspired/pumped up by seeing Brig charge into battle valiantly
But can stop someone from sprinting…
Crossfade is still an ability though. It just starts the game active because having to manually activate Crossfade would be weird.
The only inconsistency is in how Blizzard code things.
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Maybe sombra’s hack disables everything not tied to left click and since Brig’s left click procs inspire it’s not disabled
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How it works is that there are two kinds of passives.
Actual passives that only trigger when a specific action happens (i.e. deal damage, die, have an enemy be at x% HP), and “passives” that are essentially an extra ability that you have to manually activate, like Double Jump, Pharah’s Jets or Wall Climb.
Crossfade was originally programmed like the former, since it’s always active, it doesn’t make sense to devote a keybind to turning it on or off and thus hack only turned off the ability to use Crossfade to switch between Speed and Healing.
But Blizzard consider Lucio’s Aura to not be a passive, but rather specifically tied to Crossfade, so they updated Hack to completely disable the Aura.
However, even if we applied that logic to Brigitte, Inspire isn’t an Aura, but rather a HoT that is triggered on any allies within range of Brig when she hits someone with her mace.
Hacking her wouldn’t disable Inspire since it’s essentially a buff on her ally, you’d have to reprogram Hack to strip buffs which would mean it would remove Harmony, Nano-Boost, ults like Visor and Dragonblade and so on.
Disabling the interaction might make sense on first glance, but Inspire is currently outside the rules of what is hackable. If you disable completely automated passives, like Inspire, you’d have to disable things like Reaper’s Self-Healing, Junkrat’s immunity to Self-Damage and depending on how exactly Blizzard coded things, possibly even Dva’s ability to exit a mech when it dies.
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It will never end… otoh, contrary to Jeff K’s statements about systems which are “intuitive”, it is simply not “intuitive” in the least that hack doesn’t turn off Inspire.
So Moira loses the ability to attack?
DPS Moira’s rumble in the distance
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Again huh?
Brig’s Inspire is a “True Passive” these are not activated by the user but through action. These are not hackable
Lucio’s Aura and wallride both are non True Passives because they are bound to a button. These are hackable.
Lucio’s Aura is bound to the swapping button and is clearly counted as a “Button requiring passive” as you can see here:
And that’s, where you are wrong hack, has Rules that it follows on every Hero the same way. Name an ability that it doesn’t follow any kinda of rule. (The only thing you can’t really put somewhere is baps matrix because its one of a kind)
People are going to pretend that if the button required to activate something is left click, then it is excused from the hack rule
They can argue whatever they want that doesn’t change the fact that Leftklick isn’t the action that triggers Inspire its hitting an Enemy.
Hack should disable Mercy’s heal beam but not her guardian angle. Change my mind.
this is a very good point, never thought about it
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