Great record but keep losing

Nah, insecurity is blaming yourself for what isn’t essentially true , which is even worse , that you & your army of alts gaslight everyone about . you’ve been banned from the forums a few times, youre the last person that should talk about anyone.

watch the replays or keep it moving

“Army of alts”
Literally just here on one account. Some people just have a similar view to me.

Lol have I.

And it’s 10am here. You’ll have to wait at least another 9 hours before I’m in any position to consider watching.

Lacking the strength to take personal responsibility for their situation and instead blaming it on others to provide solace and comfort.

In reality what this means is that you haven’t improved during this week. If you will, you will certainly climb. If you can’t climb out of the lowest ranks what chance do you have at hauling yourself out of Diamond or above?

I might watch some of these in a bit. You should link your last games, win or lose. Handily the codes display on the “recents” list once you generate them so you could screenshot that to save typing.

Here’s the thing about stats. Yes, they are useful, the problem is it’s often better to overcorrect and say that stats don’t matter because that’s easier than explaining when they are useful, but also when they can be deceiving and by the time one understands when it’s useful or deceiving, it no longer needs to be explained.
Essentially don’t use absolutes. They aren’t always useful and they aren’t always useless, but if that is the only thing you are judging for performance, then you aren’t going to know when it’s accurate depicting one’s performance.
Context is very necessary to conclude how accurate the stats reflect of how well someone is performing.

If it helps, I had a very similar mentality as you when I was in Bronze. I was often leading in kills for the entire lobby, often had the most damage and sometimes by a large margin, low deaths and felt like there wasn’t anything more I could be doing.
The reality is that the game is far more complex than this and it was necessary to change my mentality in order to improve and climb. If you get stuck in this mind set, you won’t ever do the things that are needed to improve and climb because you are under the impression that you are already doing everything that you could possibly do, so “it must be some other factor”.

The truth is, there is some other factor, it just doesn’t rely with your team, but with your self.
You have to improve on the details of getting kills and doing damage (and managing cool downs and using your ult efficiently and covering your team’s weaknesses and pathing and target selection and using cover and reading the fight to know when to be aggressive or when to stabilize or retreat). You can’t just go face first and get a kill or two, only to say “see, I got two kills, therefore I am doing what I’m supposed to.”.
Yes, that’s apart of it, you do need to get kills, but there’s more to it than that.
How quickly are you able to secure kills. If you get 2 kills and 3 of your teammates die because you chased a target around, away from the main fight (or your team), got de-meched and now have to run around to get your mech back while the enemy team is cleaning up, then was it worth it to get those two kills?

Looking over your first game, you go for squishies which is good, you DM the enemy Cass’s ult, etc. All good things.
But you do two things that are expected at lower skill ranks. You go in hard even when you are low on health because you are close to getting a kill, so you subject yourself to playing in LOS of the entire enemy team. Sure, you killed the Junkrat, but it cost you your mech.
The second thing is that you sometimes play passively when you should be playing aggressively.
These two things are very common between Bronze-Plat. Playing aggressively to get a kill when you should be poking more and on the flip side, playing passively when you could be putting on a lot more pressure safely.
Getting this down is tough because it requires multiple skills working together (reading the fight, knowing where everyone on the enemy team is and where your team is, managing your cool downs, etc.).
You can end up with low deaths (especially with Dva, who de-mechs and can get her mech back without dying), but it doesn’t mean you aren’t making poor plays even when getting kills.
You should be able to get the kill on the squishy without LOS the entire enemy team and getting de-meched for it. If you can’t get the kill without taking all the damage and getting de-meched, then that’s probably not the play to make and need to find another play or at least another way of going about it.
It’s ok to let some potential kills get away if it means that going after the kill risks your health/mech/life.

When you play really aggressively in front of the enemy team and just take all the damage and think “it’s ok, I got the kill, even if I got de-meched”, it means that your supports are probably having to use a lot of their cool downs to stabilize rather than to help make plays for attacking on top of you just gave the enemy team a bunch of ult charge, you no longer have your mech, which means you can’t use any of your cool downs to help your team, etc.

All I can try to say for your mentality on this is that there are players who are obviously doing something different. They have built up skills that allow them to win games where you are not winning and you too can build up those skills, but you have to actually look at what those skills are and start practicing and implementing them. If you keep thinking it’s bad teammates (or a forced 50% win rate by the game) and not changing/improving what you are doing, you will keep losing games that were winnable.
I’ve watched dozens and dozens of Bronze VODs and specifically with players that state that they are not the problem, only to watch their game and see that they are playing exactly as expected of a Bronze player.
They often lack the same skills. They don’t use cover, they take unnecessary damage, they don’t use their ults efficiently, they have poor positioning, they are aggressive when they are low on health and they die for it, they are passive when they healthy and have a clear advantage.
They all have trouble looking at what they are doing wrong and in fact believe that they aren’t doing anything significantly wrong, but in reality these mistakes have a huge impact on their ability to win games.

It doesn’t help that watching high ranked players play can be deceiving. One might think that they aren’t doing anything different than the high ranked player, but in reality, the high rank player is doing a ton of things differently. We just don’t see what the high rank player is thinking and why they did whatever it is they did. It all just looks like shooting at enemies, but that’s 1% of what’s actually going on and there is a lot more going on than that.

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Watched this one. You have problems spacing and operating in Dva’s effective range. You have very poor accuracy/mechanics, even to the extent you’re regularly spraying walls with your shots. You have no target priority to speak of aside from where you always decide to attack the enemy Doomfist with Dva when he pops into your FOV. Worst of all you went AFK for 20 seconds at the most critical moment in the entire match then C9 the push bot.

I think there’s way too much to deal with in one go so let’s start with basics. What are your current aim settings?

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No i don’t, it’s called watching her health to not get melted and having game sense awareness. Say a specific time in the replay & i can tell you why im there .

& i’m sure those moments you cherry-picked out of the match & out of all the replays i posted, that those shots wouldn’t have matter in the grand scheme of things of whether they landed or not. post time & im sure it wouldn’t have been worth tunnel vision for a kill. probably calling pre-firing only “shooting at walls” too . Even patrick mahomes and tom brady throw several incomplete passes a game - so ****** what ? petty as hell .

also, i had the highest damage & kills on my team, and the enemy tank with 6-3 only having one more kill than me. my dps were 4-3 & 3-4 , so much for “my accuracy” that wasn’t necessary in a match to force the 50% winrate .

and yet i killed more than my dps, and enemy tank only had 1 more elim than me. buddy it’s called tanking, my goal isn’t to do what a dps does and focus one target at a time, you don’t even know what tf you’re talking about homeboy. the doomfist was diving my team & my feeding *** team clearly couldnt deal with him. ana/widow is food for doomfist.

I think the entire team did when team match chat became everyone’s attention. youre telling me to delay an inevitable loss while your cherry picking *** purposely disregards the widow frontlining and getting rocked by doomfist & the genji getting diffed immediately afterwards while both supports were dead before i flew back into the safe room to go afk - the match was over , stop being petty & trolling & i didn’t C9. you have no idea what you’re talking about & intentionally trolling.

Because you genuinely have no idea what tf you’re talking about. Half my team pick terrible characters for the particular comp & map that it was. Ana & widow against a team of Doomfist , Venture , Genji, & juno - a ******* dive comp on a PUSH MAP that’s not in widows favor WHATSOEVER like colosseo either . that juno went 11-0 with 2k heals while my ana went 3-4 with 1k and only 475 DAMAGE !!!

Don’t talk to me again, your rudimentary critiques is just ill informed trolling . legit goofy responses .

Alright, let me just get my rank out of the way so you know my “skill level”

I’m a Plat/Diamond Tank for Role Que, and Top 500 for Open Que.

I watched this replay code NAYTQH so you know what game I’m talking about.

Firstly, I want to say shooting a blocking doom, when you have VERY little dmg output-from your entire team is silly… You’re just going to give him a fully charged punch! You were smart to turn on him and focus him, luckily netting the kill. After that you go to cart and kill the Venture cool, then you decide to sit on cart for 22 seconds, while a Mercy Juno is in your backline. So instead of going and killing the stragglers you sit on cart, your Genji dies because of it. Now you’re down 1 and the enemy is pushing you… You again decide to sit on cart, and basically do 30 spins trying to do dmg or kill something… not good!

Also this comment “buddy it’s called tanking, my goal isn’t to do what a dps does and focus one target at a time, you don’t even know what tf you’re talking about homeboy.”

Yeah no offence that is 100% your goal as D.VA A Dive tank… Just like it’s Dooms goal, or Hogs or Balls goal. To get solo kills which will give your team the advantage. Your take is unfortunately VERY Bronze and I think if you could see it from a higher ranks eyes you might understand. See if I don’t focus on one target at a time it is impossible to get a kill because my dmg is being spread across 5 different health pools you just can’t get a kill like that, so EVERY role has to target one person at a time! If the entire team is coordinated they can target one person at once which will likely net a kill at a higher rate.

I would also love to know your mitigation stat for this game, because again as the tank you picked D.va you should be using Matrix to not only protect yourself but also your teammates, just like a Zarya would bubble their teammates! From the looks of it you don’t use it to protect anyone but yourself. So that is definitely a disadvantage to you and your team overall.

At 3:00 you turned on Doom, luckily Ana got the sleep on him so you got the kill, YOU KNOW YOU GOT THE KILL, but it doesn’t click in your head that you should watch Mercy for rez, you basically ignore her until it’s too late… Dooms dead! Push the team especially the supports, neither of them have a way to stop you-like Ana, so there’s a good chance you’ll kill at least one of them-I’d target Mercy first to stop a potential res-like the one on Doom!

I don’t know why you decide to run also^ You are full health, full cooldowns, you could’ve technically stayed in for a few more seconds, while your team respawns and then dipped because your spawn is right there, there is no massive gap between you and spawn.

You return to spawn-full HP, and then proceed to go AFK…

So for that replay my TL:DR is, Target priority is not good, Doom is a threat but killing his supports first is better. Your goal 100% is to target one player at a time every time, because you won’t get a kill otherwise. Try and use Matrix for more than just yourself!

Next replay! 3V9TBK

Alright well off the rip, late to roll out!

Then you hear at the least they have a Junkrat, and you decide to just go full balls in there, and you land in a trap that was pretty obvious! You did play it smart and stayed on the Junkrat finishing him though. You brought your team far left with you, you then went all the way right side of point, so your team has to then walk with their backs to the enemies spawn and try to save you, not great… and instead of retreating to where your team is you run away from them… you fly into the open instead of using the center as cover to rotate around.

3:20 when enemy D.va bombs somehow it freaks you out so bad you can’t remember the open door that’s a foot to your right and fly into a wall :skull: you then proceed to ult yourself after you just lost 2 teammates… that’s a wasted ult… you get one kill out of it but also loose another teammates so now you’re down 2 still. Instead of dying on point and getting it to 99% you flee…

At 4:00 you make a VERY silly error… You see a full HP Cass in the middle of point surrounded by his team and you decide to push him full throttle… You get him to 1 Hp and die… Silly. The only other person with you was Lifeweaver, you went in without your team and died for nothing… LUCKILY, your team notices and rushes to help you, you get rezed and kill 2-if you didn’t have Mercy you would’ve 100% have lost that fight because of your mistake! You hear tire coming to point, as you’re chasing Juno, you then proceed to do a numerus amount of spins and rotations finally killing Juno but letting Lifeweaver die to the tire you could’ve focused. You chill on point with less than 50% HP and decide to rush the D.va, why not when D.va ults run to get your supports or to get healed by them at least, D.vas out of mech you are full hp you would have the advantage and if needed can ult to save yourself.

Instead you hide from bomb and then proceed to push 3 enemies at 300HP… Silly. You don’t Matrix Sombra so she dies… You decide to just back up and proceed to keep backing up when the % is above 90… allowing the enemy team to score the point.

Second round now!

You see your Moira fade IN at 6:45, yes your Moira is stupid for doing that, but you don’t even try to Matrix her… you just let her die. At this point you’re down 2 (6:57) Why are you still trying to fight? You should be backing off to regroup for next fight, staying in will only be a stagger and cost your team. LUCKILY you win the fight, and proceed to stagger them. You tunnel vision in their spawn and let an Echo back cap… yeah 9% isn’t much but that should’ve been your 9% not the enemies!

Third round now!

You can clearly see you have Sym on your team and she’s holding her Tele, and you decide to just walk out of spawn putting your behind your team for a moment… 10:20 good peal on the Monkey, you prioritize Monkey over the 2 enemies on point, letting Moira die and loosing you the point… you then push Sombra as she runs away and don’t claim the kill… 12:35 you let your entire team die, and then proceed to ult… waste, you’re already down, even if bomb kills 2 you’re still down and won’t win. You should’ve bombed BEFORE they pushed hard and claimed point. You fail twice to correctly Matrix ults-Cass and Mei. Letting Moira die and letting point be frozen. LUCKILY you still keep the point.

after you bomb/get demech’d you decide to sit WAY BACK and not try to gain any mech charge… if you went to the right of point you’d still be safe and could spray the choke to gain the charge getting mech back instead you give them all the space and pressure to walk forward and crush your team. You are 3 down now and push point… you won’t win.

Next Replay ZBE08N

Targeting the biggest health pool… Rein’s alone, go for his team, his supports because if they can get to Rein they can and WILL keep him alive if you don’t stop them. You basically retreat to your sides choke while Genji is still in, LUCKILY he had ult and gets a few kills from it after you push back in with him. You lose 2 teammates, they are actively capping point and you throw another wasted bomb… BOMB BEFORE they get momentum! STOP TURNING ON THE D.VA… you’re actively giving their team space to walk on you! If I was their dps and saw you turn around I’d walk forward and your squishes would be free for the picking!

4:20 another wasted ult for nothing… you’re alone ulting here is a throw! you gain NOTHING from it. You then HARD chase a Soldier basically into his spawn get 4v1’d out of mech and lost point because of it. LUCKILY Doom is too slow on his ult and doesn’t retouch… and you decide to just hold bomb there’s no disadvantage for you throwing bomb down at 99% because it stops them from touching.

Round 2

at 7:45 you see Ram walk right seconds later Soldier follows, instead of doing something to prevent a flank you sit at main and spray Bastion, letting Soldier and Ram get a kill.

Again 9:10 you watch Soldier push right side, LUCKILY he doesn’t full flank! 9:40 you decide to run and give their team SO MUCH space for what? You killed their tank that’s when you’re supposed to take space even at a slow pace. You then proceed to rush them, letting Soldier kill 2 in your backline. THANKFULLY Mei, Juno and Ana are able to hold you until you return from dying.

I am not going to watch the rest. As I’ve pointed out MORE than enough issues in your playstyle.

Target priority-you drastically switch from good to bad priority, but mostly focus the biggest health pool. That’s not good.

Ult usage-you ult when you’re already down and will struggle to win. Ulting alone on point rather than ulting before they gain momentum.

Selfish Matrix-you don’t Matrix your teammates enough, countless deaths could’ve been avoided if you Matrix’d over payed more attention to be able to Matrix.

Which brings me to tunnel vision-You like to stick on one person, usually that’s the tank. It’s not 100% a bad thing but you should be pushing through the tank to kill their backline, because the tank cannot live without supports.

Game sense-you game sense isn’t perfect. it needs work, you don’t play cover well. you don’t keep LOS for supports well. You don’t position well.

And to make it clear I keep saying “LUCKILY” because everything I’ve said “LUCKILY” too would’ve been PUNISHED in my ranks. You would not have won those fights, you would have not gotten any extra kills and that’s the difference between Bronze and Plat+ Your mistakes even small are my advantage!

I wouldn’t use Ego or say you’re Egotistical, I’d say you’re Arrogant. You think yourself a King that can’t make errors. Well I have happily pointed out a variety of errors and NO I’m not being rude, I’m giving you feedback. You claim to not be insecure but when someone gives you feedback you snap back at them…

GoaThief was right about everything they mentioned, your spacing is poor, your effective range for D.va is off. Standing 10 feet away from a Cass is drastically ineffective compared to being right in his face!

Your sens is definitely to slow or too high at some points. I’ve already mentioned you doing circles trying to keep up with an enemy because your sens is too low! You need to fine tone it for D.va

You don’t have good target priority. You spray the big one and then move to a squishy when they’re low which will net you a kill because Blizzard doesn’t know the difference between an Elim and an Assist. 42 Elims doesn’t mean you killed 42 people…

Ana is not food for Doom, if the Ana knows how to sleep dart… I eat Dooms for breakfast on Ana.

Widow can be played on any map and succeed. Widow can be played against a Doom and succeed. Claiming Widow was the issue or “the comp was terrible” is a scapegoat. By the way, you were also playing a DIVE COMP ON A PUSH MAP D.VA!!!

That Juno went 11-0 because you never focused her.

I can’t wait to hear what you think of my critiques I hope they aren’t too “rudimentary” for you.

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Are you plat or are you diamond, which is it? What tier because you’re close to me, be more specific.

doom is my second most used character, he still takes damage from having the worst form of blocking in the game; my team had a horrendous comp setup with dogwater positioning and fed their a****s off to this mediocre doom player. pretty sure he got mopped by a competent team a game or two later, the guy went 6-3 while his genji went 6-1 (vs my 3-4 genji), and his juno went 11-0; with an 11-0 support and better dps that can stay alive - all he was able to do was die three times with only 6 kills. doom wasnt the problem, my team comp was.

god awful take, this is the same forum thatll tell you “its not about kills/its not team deathmatch” i was playing the godd**n objective, NO ONE ELSE WAS ON THE BOT, ITS AN OBJECTIVE BASED GAME. Literally every single mode in this game is won by holding the objective , NO ONE ON MY TEAM WAS DOING THAT. did you zoom out and pay attention to the map layout? LOOK AT WHERE THE BOT WAS MOVING, THE JUNO AND MERCY WERE ABSOLUTELY NO THREAT AND BY THE WAY THE MAP IS DESIGNED WERE GOING TO FACE US UPFRONT ANYWAY. this is what im talking about when i say game sense. why go backwards when we were gonna meet them forward with more progress? MF’s playing push like its a tdm, ITS NOT TDM RIGHT? Guess how my clown support died afterwards - a MOIRA of all characters died by doom, and my ana was off somewhere getting kilt by GENJI . So much for JUNO AND MERCY, huh? GAME SENSE do you speak it?

that i did, did you watch the replay? i went 5-0 and had the best stats on my team, what more do you want? the doom only had 1 more kill than me and died 3 times. if you were in my shoes i doubt you wouldve played as well. for a bad team and me going 5-0 i did a damn good job, and your bad takes aint dis-crediting that from me; i know how to play dva watch the replays, my first replay i literally went 42-2. if you played tank you’d know you’re only as powerful as your team allows you to be, otherwise you play more conservative. my team was dogwater and couldn’t handle having a tank that dives too much, DOOMFIST, 6-1 GENJI, VENTURE, vs my 3-4 475 dmg ana & 4-3 WIDOW HELLO??? buddy telling me to constantly dive a dive team vs my team that isnt dive. THE DOOM HAD A TEAM DIVING WITH HIM.

my mitigation is 3,111 vs dooms 1404. Like i said - my stats were absolutely f***** SOLID for how i handled a match like that. I carried my weight and absolutely did my part; stop telling me how to use dva, because you couldn’t be far from wrong with your takes. like i said, i posted several replays. stop cherrypicking and forming my skills off one damn match.

this is absolutely pathetic & just re-assures this crab in a barrel mentality this forum has of getting a rise of putting others down. you really couldn’t just give me credit huh? that dooms health was gone the moment he got slept, he died the same time he got slept, that was me that took him out whether ana slept him or not, she was safe REGARDLESS . she didn’t NEED to sleep him - that was a waste of a dart. Its just more obvious now that youre against me with these takes.

yea buddy theres a definitely a “GOOD” chance of me killing an ulting mercy - do you know what “good chance” means? she was literally in valk form, & you’re telling me i wasn’t watching her when my screen literally followed her over to doom so how the hell wasn’t i watching her? you want me to chase down the supports, while also preventing a doom rez, so logically where should i have been positioned other than between the dead doom and the 2 supports? i was where i needed to be, you wanted me to fly up to mercy so that she could fly boost past me over to the doom and get the rez off anyway while im behind and away from the fight - i made the right play. how about you criticize my damn team where genji and moira were both holding their ults and being useless? im one person. this lost match wasnt on me, and what your expecting is for me to carry a sack of potatoes just to extend a lost match.

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yeah, i’m done with you, go back to open-que. can i get a non-biased, non-troll, experienced tank player thatll have some input on my games, and actually knows what theyre talking about? or just kindly **** off from my notifications.

Yep, so someone blaming teammates for their losses is one of those wasting time arguing with them in text chat - that means you’re either not playing or not focused when you do.

There is absolutely ZERO reason for anyone to try and help you because you can’t listen.

You say you’re close to my rank from how you play and how you express yourself on a forum YOU decided to comment on is pathetic and without proof no one will believe you.

So I’m going to end my engagement with you and this thread because you can’t get your head out of your own behind to see when people are trying to help you improve or give you tips you could use in future games.

Also you keep using your team as a scapegoat, YOU CAME ON THIS THREAD BOASTING ABOUT YOURSELF. Then when people pointed out issues in YOUR play style you immediately point to your teammates. As a tank you are literally the backbone of the team. YOU make or break the team PERIOD get over yourself and maybe one day after some self reflection you’ll understand you were never in the right.

Peace out good luck to you

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all days im losing , bad teammates, rtards from br , hack aim , etc etc , im tired

They seem very low numbers.

Would you like me to critically assess the game instead. As someone who’s climbed from bronze to peaking at GM maining tanks.

First tip for you. If someone reviews your play and gives you a lot of negative feedback. DON’T GET ANGRY, don’t be a wemp about it.

On paper, there was nothing wrong with the feedback they gave you.

Shooting a blocking Doom isn’t smart (unless you know he’ll die)

Sitting afk on point isn’t smart either. But sometimes is nessecary. If it is Push and you already have a good lead, it isn’t needed at all. You’d be better off pushing with your team and winning fight and retaining map control.

“experienced tank player” Let me load up 500 links to just Flats, Cyx, and any other top500 tank just so I can show this dude exactly how he’s meant to play D.va because being a higher rank them him is clearly not enough :rofl:

Sorry I wasn’t meant to be here but I had to make a comeback real quick LOL