No, Dive was never this bad. Ever.
Brigitte was a mistake.
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Honestly the tank heavy metas we’ve had was more a result of Ana being strong, I’m not calling for nerfs. Just pointing this out.
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Ana isn’t even run in GOATS…
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The difference was Ana was able to keep up 3 tanks basically by herself because of how powerful her heals were (which was toned down)
GOATS happened because of sustainability of AoE heals and damage mitigation.
I still prefer 3 tanks w/ Ana over the deathball we have rn
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GOATS have different variations. The most commonly known is of course Moira GOATS but there is also Ana GOATS and Zen GOATS where you switch Moira for the healers mentioned in the name. Then there is Dive GOATS as well. They all counter each other with Brigitte, Lucio and D.va being in all 4. If a team doesn’t know how GOATS works, it’s easy to exploit it with a different team comp.
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You mean DPS being eliminated? Because I agree. It does sort of end up like that. Why have a DPS when you can have a team with a major overall health and healing advantage? If the dps effectively are unable to kill anything what’s the point?
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GOATS isn’t even remotely fun to watch, imo. It’s pretty bad when you have players like carpe just filling a role of goats like zarya or brig because no matter how good he is on widow or other dps heros, it just doesn’t work vs goats.
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explain what class got eliminated
So why do I get 5 DPS teammates in every QP game?
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The mistake was DPS mains thinking they could carry by themselves with no teamwork. The days of one-clipping Supports and getting consistent team wipes with Blade are over
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It’s not really true that it eliminated dps role, but made it difficult for specific dps heroes to not put enough damage by themselves anymore. Reason why Mei is also included in versions of it. Dive Goats versions, Goats is just a more aggressive dive.
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I mean
I would blame it more on how easy it is for DPS to blow eachother up at this point.
Why would you risk running 200hp heroes, without any form of self sustain, who die so fast that no support can keep them up long enough without serious focus.
Tracer, Genji (Ult), Doomfist, Ashe, Hanzo, and Widowmaker all have such low TTK that there’s no point in running anything else as DPS. They are either too slow to kill, or get blown up by those I listed too fast.
They all have too much mobility, and too much front loaded damage
So Tanks have to be stronger to still be a solid option to play, and then that forces Supports to have crazy high sustain to try and keep the DPS/ Tanks alive.
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Dive GOATs still does not use any DPS, and Mei GOATs only works against bad teams.
As of now, there is no non-mirror counter to T1-ran GOATs but that’s fine because much DPS instalocks I guess.
At same time, it’s not always used, some maps depend on different strategies.
What enables GOATS are multiple factors. One is the insane ammounts of team-wide healing you get when you pair Brigitte and Lucio with main healer. The second big reason is that tanks deal as much damage as DPS but are significantly more durable, mainly Diva. With heros like Tracer or Genji you always risk getting one-shot. That risk is not present with tanks.
Brigitte was what tipped the scale for this all to work.
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And neither was Dive.
That said, you are going to see GOATs on the vast majority of maps.
this is a load of garbage
ana is barely even run in goats anymore in favor of zen
i didn’t know you ran into sbb every single game because tracer had an awfu winrate for an overwhelming majority of the fanbase
tracer was only a problem for the highest levels of play, and genji was barely even ran in dive once widow kicked him out of the meta
a lot of supports have this weird idea that their fragility (which is heavily exaggerated btw) is unjustified
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And yeah… Ana GOATs is the weakest form. Just run Zen and melt their main tank with Discord. Ana can do jack about it.
Brig was a big mistake, thankfully she gettting a big nerf along with doomfist. Two heroes should be able to turn a whole game around just because they exist.
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Not everyone is great with zen, when it comes to discord and team has to depend on everyone taking less dmg while focus fire the tank while pushing through.
While ana allows for anti-healing. Same time that depends entirely on the players to be efficient with zen.