Yeah yeah, I know some people hate tier lists, but I just want to see where the supports currently stand, in your opinion.
I think I’ve played enough games since coming back now, that I can make a rough list.
S - Juno (She just barely gets her own tier)
A - Ana / Brig / Lucio
B - Zen / Bap / Kiriko
C - Illari / Moira
D - Lifeweaver / Mercy
B tier or higher is perfectly fine and won’t hurt your chances of winning unless you really need to make a specific counterswap.
C tier and below are more niche and will require certain conditions to be met to benefit or at least not harm your chances of winning.
Bap is A tier and Illari is B. Other than that I mostly agree. Mercy could be C tier because we have server admin hitscan running around this season
Also, you forgot Forum Ana. S+++ tier
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As a silver I Would drop juno to B tier in low ranks, she’s too dependent on team for her abilities. I’d move zen up to A for me at least. rest makes sense. Buff mercy!! 
In spite of common forum perspective, what limited data we have indicates Kiriko is doing dismally and Ana isn’t doing all that well either.
I think they’re both pretty overrated right now, moreso in Kiri’s case.
to be fair, most support exceptionals stopped playing ow
due to underpowered damage output + 5 v 5 + devs addiction to rigging + invalid quickplay timeouts + no LFG + 50 seasons of invalid nerfs. so any tier list feedback would be faulty.
Illari and Baptiste go to A.
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Overbuff Winrates assume both teams have identical amounts of time spent on Defence and Attack.
https://i.imgur.com/4ksBvjS.png
That’s entirely False.
Overbuff winrates, are worthless.
Always have been.
I’ve read your arguments about winrate calculations before, and I don’t think your conclusions are entirely consistent with the Dev’s statement that they normalize time split across multiple heroes to fractional games. So unless Overbuff is using different calculations than the Devs for win-rate, I don’t believe you’re correct. Further, Devs have said on a few occasions that for middle ranks Overbuff usually lines up pretty well with what they see; that sounds like reason enough to not totally ignore Overbuff in discussions to me.
I don’t believe the data we see is so imperfect as to never be worth talking about. Since Devs have access to map and side specific win rates, they would be able to catch the kind of map-centric biases you’re worried about and plan accordingly. Any data they get from quickplay would similarly be immune because none of the asymmetric modes are played to multiple rounds.
Kiri lost a lot of practical power when her Kunai could no longer 2-Tap and gained essentially no increase in hit consistency from the S9 hitbox changes. It wasn’t an easy primary to achieve peak value out of before S9, and the peak power went down. Her healing still has limitations due to slow travel time. So, even without seeing metrics, those are some reasons I believe Kiri is not that powerful right now.
As to Ana, her self-offense similarly suffered from S9 changes. She’s very dependent on her team to really get things done and she’s extremely vulnerable when mobility is strong. Particularly with Juno around now, mobility and mobile heroes are definitely strong right now.
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The devs shouldn’t really be using winrate either.
It’s not conducive to Balance or Tierlisting. It’s just lazy.
And that’s assuming the math the devs have isn’t also broken. (Which it probably is)
Why wont Blizzard nerf Juno in the way that matters - #81 by GreyFalcon-11737
I play Juno and Ana a lot. I find that Juno can just output way more damage and healing overall, because she has mobility. Juno can better keep your teammates alive. Why? Because if your teammates mis-position, Juno can quickly get into LOS to help them. Ana will take too long to rotate, maybe scope in, and has a chance to miss a full shot (Even if you miss some with Juno, there will be at least some healing still)
Everyone depends their team (and the other team) obviously. Sometimes against healbots you have to go Ana to anti-nade
This is mostly based on how strong they feel in my games as I’ve been ranking up an alt to shake off the rust. It started at diamond 1 and is currently masters 3, and these were the impressions I got. I might do another after some balance changes come through and the alt reaches Masters 1.
Mercy and lifeweaver being so generally weak is no surprise. Bap, Zen, and Kiri being seemingly mid-tier is a bit of a surprise.
A and B tier don’t have much of a gap. I could see making the argument for Bap to be A tier, but I will need convincing that Illari belongs in B tier or higher, as my experience so far does not support that.
S - Juno / Ana / Brig (All tanks)
A - Lucio / Bap
B - Kiriko / Zen / Illari
C - Mercy / Lifeweaver / Moira
D - All DPS
There.
id swap brig and baps placements, and bump illari up to b tier off her ultimate alone. otherwise i completely agree
S - Kiriko, Ana
A - Juno, Baptiste, Lucio
B - Zenyatta, Brigitte
C - Mercy, Lifeweaver, Moira
D - Illari
Even though I personally rank my two mains in C, I play them anyway. XD
Lifeweaver and Mercy the goats.
i wonder about these tier lists. Do they represent what you are supposed to play because they are the strongest characters in their role? Or are they really a guide for high level play?
I would have thought the best character would be the one you are most effective at, and have the most fun playing
Brig is definitely A tier imo if we are considering juno. She is the best support, and brig is the best to pair with her. So I feel it’s hard to put her below A.
In this specific case, it’s just my estimation of each heroes power relative to each other, at my rank, when the players are performing appropriately for said rank (No smurfs, boosted customers, or throwers).
sorry, i just meant overall, you see people give their tier lists and i was just wondering, what specifically, those tier lists are supposed to represent
I’d put Lucio in B Tier other than that I share the same tier list as you.
Yes, widow is worse than lifeweaver. Maybe in bot lobbies where people have potato aim lmao
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