You, and everyone else, have the ability to be mean therefor preparing for that and setting it as the bar to be overcome is perfectly acceptable. If you’re not mean then great. Good times.
However, if you are mean then that’s fine and I accept it. It’s where I draw the line - the bottom.
Yes, I understand the context of this thread and I do, in fact, believe that saying “GG” or “GR” is not an acceptable thing to say even if those saying it mean absolutely no harm. It’s toxic to use those terms especially when the games are not good in the first place.
Got crushed 0-3? “GG”.
Fail to make a critical play that your teammates have to cover for you to make the push? “GG”.
Win a game where the enemy fought hard just to lose? “GG”
Most of the time the game, nor round, are actually good and leave both sides feeling satisfied.
Silence is a much better and less offensive option. Not to mention those who use the term in a mocking way - deliberately.
But how does being pessimistic inherently make that the thing protecting you? Is that inherently it or is it how you tolerate someone being mean in general? You don’t have to assume the worst to be able to still be able to move past that.
These are instances of insecurity though. Even when I was a kid, the score didn’t matter. We still said good game and put on a smile, and moved past the score. It’s called good sportsmanship, insecurities shouldn’t affect that and cause censorship. Regardless of the outcome in sports, teams are expected to say that.
If the game isn’t satisfying or enjoying, and that’s how people feel, than why are they playing the game?
There are several old adages that come to mind most of which boil down to “prepare for the worst, hope for the best”. Some say that pessimism is a natural born trait or something that is learned over time. I think it’s a little of both. I’ve always been a devil’s advocate but I can understand the other side of the coin.
I’ll assume you’ll come at me with the bottom of the barrel, worst, argument you have - certainly you’re not and just seem interested in why I believe something to be the case. That’s wonderful, yet; there are others that would call me an incoherent rambling moron for even believing that “GG” is unacceptable.
You’re firmly in the camp that believes I’m wrong, the OP is wrong, and good sportsmanship is a valid reason to continue using it like we’ve just been in a round of baseball. We’re not there, I can’t see you, I can’t get in your face and see you smile at the victory or loss that you’ve achieved. That level of separation is a breeding ground for misunderstanding - and the online world has a lot of that.
This is a very old response to the subject and in the end… does it really matter? It could be anything from addiction, completionism, bordem, escapism, or any number of other reasons… all of which are personal. There are probably a fair number who actually find the game to be fun despite its flaws.
I can only give my own personal reason - Which is: I don’t know? Habit maybe?
[edit:] I’m trying to find the thread that I made about this topic a while ago. I’m sure we’ll have another reply so if I find it I’ll drop the topic there.
To me, this means that you are able to handle what could be thrown at you, but you are going at it with good expectations. How you interpret that differs.
But as I said, thats someone’s own insecurities. That shouldn’t get in the way of sportsmanship. I believe that level of pescimissim is toxic, who does it benefit to assume its malicious? By doing the opposite, you could come away from it potentially feeling better, and you give the people who are potentially trying to be malicious nothing. People say gg ez or ez clap or something of the sort usually when they are trying to be malicious anyway. Rarely is a GG said in such a manner.
If they are going to be miserable and drag down the morale of the game, I think so. When they are attempting to make their own insecurities and problems those in a game, than yes. If you mald to yourself and don’t try to change what others have going, than no, it doesn’t matter.
That’s how I see at it. That’s my worldview. I really don’t know how to explain it but maybe it’s how I draw the line? I’ve been told that from the outset I appear like a complete A-hole but when someone takes the time to talk they realize I’m a level-headed, nice-ish, person. Perhaps it has to do with an introverted personality type. I don’t know - some of this stuff is just above my level of thinking.
How do you know the intention of others? You don’t know what’s going through someones head. “gg ez” has been filtered for a very long time. A lot of people just say “GG” as a reflex, from what I’ve seen, and don’t mean anything particular by it. That, in and of itself, is just as infuriating as them being malicious with the term. It’s so little thought that it’s almost insulting.
Would it be so much harder to say “Thanks for the game!”, “You all played well”, or even a “had fun”?
[edit:] btw, I just /hidechat or turn off match chat whenever I’m feeling particularly angry about the GG/GR spam. I either report it and turn off chat or just turn it off so that I don’t see it. I have those options but this is my opinion on the matter.
And I can’t change that, nor do I care to. Our life experiences have led us to think differently on the matter.
You dont, but thats why I’m saying assuming the worst is toxic. It hurts you unnecessarily and it causes you to want others to change because of your own insecurities about it. That’s the issue, these are insecurities being pushed onto others and being made into their problem.
This is where my pessimism shields me and why I need it in the first place. Saying that I push my viewpoint onto others pains me. You assume things about me when I’ve clearly made statements to the contrary.
I’ll restate it: In game I don’t aim to change people’s opinions on the matter but here I’ll give my view on the subject matter as that’s what the forums are here for. I turn off chat or just report people for saying “GG”/“GR” as it’s my 100% true thoughts on the matter. I do believe it’s abusive chat even when said with no malicious intent.
I do not try to get people to change their mind in game as they end up berating and attacking me over my viewpoint, it’s futile; then you wonder why I don’t have a more sunny attitude toward the world.
The most I’ve ever said is “nothing in Overwatch is good”.
Ultimately I do not believe I’ve ever been able to sway a single person to seeing things the way I do. Even though you, specifically seemed like you wanted to understand my side… ended up falling into the trap of your own bias. That’s fine though… it just means that we’re finished talking.
Wow, this is divided, with no actual listening being done. The problem is two things: people do legitimately say these things in a mocking/hurtful way, and having it happen enough will color one’s perception, leading them to view all instances as negative regardless of intent. It doesn’t help to tell people who see it this way to suck it up, or that they’re “snowflakes” for having dealt with rude and terrible people. Honestly, that’s more likely to reinforce the view. Listen and try to understand, and offer advice in a respectful manner.
Second, is something that fascinatingly hasn’t been brought up, which is that people opt to type a simplistic, two-character acronym rather than the words “good game” or “good round”. They have kind of become their own words, and have thus started to take on new meaning (does “lol” mean “laugh out loud” to you, or is just “lol”?), part of which is unfortunately steeped in the toxic behavior present in the gaming community as a whole. Think about the D.va voice line, wherein she exclaims “GEEGEE” in a mocking tone. That’s what a “GG” sounds like to the losing team. Too many negative instances have soured its perceived meaning, not to mention the very real problem of people using the good translation to cover their asses when called out. “Good game” is less likely to be misconstrued. It has clear meaning, and taking the time to type it out proves your sincere intent. (And I say “taking the time”, but it’s two small words, gosh)
So yeah, GG/GR is ruined imo, and possibly will be in the public eye soon enough, if people continue to use it negatively.
I thought about bringing it up, directly, but it didn’t seem to fit in any of my replies to Demifiend.
My direct thoughts on the matter are that it’s just people being lazy especially since a large portion of keyboards come with macro keys built in now-a-days. People can also type quite quickly these days so the excuses are minimal.
Eyevou, I do not expect a response from you here and I’m not responding as a way to try and get you back into the discussion. Just giving my final points.
Sorry… formatting got messed up so this is on top now…
I dont think that will solve anything. People will find the new thing to complain about, as it doesn’t solve the issues of “But I lost” or “But I didn’t have a good time” or any of the other multiple things brought up. And then, I’m pretty certain it would be the same thing all over again. I think it would be a bandaid fix for the people who view “gg” as insulting.
When you take actions such as reporting people for abusive chat because that’s how you view it, you’re expecting them to be punished because of how views… I don’t know how else you’d like that to be interpretated.
I’d hope you’d also see the irony as you also weren’t able to accept any of the toxic traits in always assuming the worst. It’d be hypocritical to not notice any of your own bias.
I figured we both understood people do that. I never would have argued that some people don’t. But that’s why I’m saying it’s an insecurity. If the GG bothers you, than you are more than welcome to hide text chat or whatever helps. But when you assume everyone is with malicious intent and that it shouldn’t be said, I believe it to be toxic. Taking away from, in my experience, pretty genuinely seeming people is unnecessary, especially when you are only doing so because of your pecimissim.
I dont interpret it as mocking. I specifically logged in to listen to multiple voice lines on this and I urge you to do a really solid comparison. I won’t dive into that point further, if you disagree you disagree.
Another one of these…It’s just good game and it IS respectfull. I guess it depends on the situation but facts don’t change just because you’re in a bad mood.
I allways say gg, unless it wasn’t one due to leavers or something. usually “gg wp”.
I just laugh, it is hilarious when my team gets stomped and both sides say GG, how blind tldo people have to be, it wasnt a good game, we didnt provide any challenge to the other team and they were far far better then my team including me so how is that at all a good game?
I don’t expect people to be punished or, ultimately, want punishment. I do hope enough people will agree and action is taken on a social level that can affect peoples feelings on the matter but I don’t get my hopes up. If Blizzard wants social/mob justice then that’s what I’m willing to give them and I’ll make my distaste for the terms known.
I do understand your side of the argument but I just don’t agree with it. The whole “Think happy thoughts”, “sportsmanship means being proud you’ve done your best” and “no need to be offended over small things”. I was raised under those ideals, as well. I was also raised to think rationally and hard about things so I have no problem listening to your side if I’ve misconstrued anything. I’d rather just be negative first and optimistic later. On a fundamental level we just don’t seem to agree.
There is a status quo where “GG” is normalized, sure, but it doesn’t change the fact that there are people out there abusing it in a “this is why we can’t have nice things”-way. Perhaps you think that person is ultimately me but I’ve removed it from the things I say after a game. I prefer to say things like “Nice work everyone” or “That was fun”. It is a social matter and it requires social solutions.
By the way, did you know that it’s almost impossible to change ingrained habits after the mind is set? That’s why grandpa is always going to be a racist and short-term solutions to social stigma aren’t all that helpful - it requires those who hold those beliefs to die off before a new generation with newly installed values is allowed to grow up.
What’s the point of anything? You could genuinely ask this question for any topic. What’s the point of team chat, general chat, what’s the point of bodies dropping/flying on death, what’s the point in OW?