GG it is a Tank Diff

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Am I the only one that feels genuinely sad that this is somehow the most common scapegoat in Overwatch, or I am just being overly sensitive?

I know what you are thinking! Oh, ThiccBuddha was throwing the game as Reinhardt and people got rightfully frustrated and wittle baby is crying about it.

I am just feeling pretty depressed to be honest. I actually rage quit out of Mahvel because we won and I had the top score with more SR than I lost from the last two matches because there seems to be a performance bonus.

It does not make sense. I get it. Usually wins where you “carry” feel good. I am just really tired of engagement based matchmaking, you know? I am sick of relying on teammates just to do basic things that should be common sense. Perhaps it is wearing on me, or maybe I am just having a psychotic episode.

Nothing feels deserved anymore. I was on my alternative account where I, for whatever demented reason, still have chat enabled. I told myself to disable it because quite frankly I am just not well for this anymore. Some generic brat with a superiority complex projecting about a video game of all things? Like, honestly, what the hell? Why is this normalized behavior?!

I digress, sorry, I will get to the point. I had this game where I was Ball and the entire enemy team wanted their Hazard reported and kept saying tank diff even though I was literally just rolling around doing basically nothing because I do not even want to play Overwatch right now. This was in ranked, by the way. To finish my daily missions, I played another as Hog (so I could heal because I had heal challenges) and the same thing happened. I was purposely trying to feed just to pad my heal stats for a challenge and they are bullying the enemy tank who tried several different characters to help their team. And to finish my last match, I went Doomfist in quickplay and literally just punch cycled the entire game.

For those of you who do not play Doom, that means I was jumping into their team for ultimate charge and rocket punching to safety. That’s it. That’s all I was doing. And nearly the same thing happened. Nobody was calling for reports because it was quickplay, I guess. Tank diff and “our tank sucks” were uttered by over half their teammates, again.

Three matches in a row where I am doing virtually nothing. My team is just better. That’s all it is. I have heals. I have damage. That’s it. People attacked at the obvious targets. People backed away when we were in disadvantage.

Despite this there are creeps on my team trying to get me to join in and harass the other tank or want me to validate their feelings. I have no clue what they want.

I am just really sad. I do not understand why people have to be this way. It’s mild, of course. But I could tell it bothered most of them in some way, shape, or form. It was just unnecessary and that’s why I somehow got tank three games in a row even though Hazard launched like yesterday or whatever. It’s ridiculous.

Not to mention these same cowards believe they are the victims. Truly disgusting. Um, but yeah, I need a new mindset clearly. This ain’t working.

:muscle::pensive:

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Not at all! It is pretty sad, but most people don’t really understand why they lost. Tank diff is really easy because it’s the 1 person on the role. Yet I have seen SO many DPS diffs and support diffs but they still blame the tank. (Not to brag but I need to get my point across), but a lot of the time the enemy says tank diff, but the enemy tank wasn’t that bad, it was just a silly ana frontlining and I was taking advantage of her. Like yeah, definitely the tanks fault for you thinking your the tank ana :skull:

That’s your big mistake! Most people don’t have common sense I hate to say.
It is surprisingly rare, like I have no problem with people not doing their best at the game, we all have bad games, but then somehow shifting the blame is crazy.

This is hilarious, this happened to me once too, except this was in QP. That’s quite impressive for people in comp to say tank diff when you were doing nothing, I didn’t realize some people could have such a small brain! :joy:

Anyways, basically I was spawn camping some people on zarya, but not really doing much for the team, we basically won all the fights, I was just running around the map catching the occasional stray. I have no clue how we won, but we did, they somehow thought it was a tank diff! Yup, for sure, it definitely wasn’t the sojourn blasting peoples brains out the whole game, it was me running around saying hello spamming voicelines around the map killing randoms. Yup, made lots of space there, much more than the enemy tank, obviously.

Nothing wrong with trying to grow and improve your mindset to deal with these people! Overtime I’ve sort of blocked it out and stopped caring, it is amusing to sometimes just watch and observe, like animals in a zoo, I do the same for overwatch match chat. It is pretty entertaining.

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When it’s not “tank diff” it’s something else. It doesn’t matter. Too many people are too fragile for any level introspection, especially in the moment they’re tilted about losing.

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From my not so expert perspective; the playerbase’s attitude is a reflection of how the Devs/Activision blizzard has treated them. We’re all bitter that we have no pve. Some are resentful to the complete lack of thought when pushing out a balance patch. Most I think are still a bit disgusted with shop prices after getting everything in loot boxes for years.

Much like how parents are ultimately directly responsible for about 90% of the way Thier child thinks and acts. Even in adulthood, the child is still a reflection of the parent.

The bad attitude from players might decrease if we had more to do other than just PvP. I get there’s an arcade with a bunch of whacky modes but none of them feel that great to play due to the game being balanced for the usual 5v5 objective based stuff. People who are burnt out by the gameplay don’t quit because they’re attached to the characters they play, I assume. So they queue up and get mad when a match isn’t perfect…

The only people who can do anything about this is blizzard, unfortunately. :frowning: such a waste to have all of these awesome characters with no story to play through, imo…

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You can literally have the most eliminations, most damage, least deaths, most damage mitigated, and be what would be equivalent to the old “gold medal” on objective time, all twice over the enemy tank -

And it’ll be “tank diff”.

“I kept playing in the open and dying constantly and the tank didn’t save me from my own stupidity- gg tank valley”

I keep chat off most of the time. Most people lack any form of self reflection or capacity to blame themselves when they’re the obvious weak link.

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It’s literally just people and ego issues. A tale as old as time. Throwing the blame at the devs is ironically the same concept as saying “tank diff” in game.

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Honestly it’s this way on all roles.

Had a match where my tank was extremely passive and would never push in. And the healers spent most of their time DPS’ing. Which honestly is probably why the tank struggled to push in. They all ended up with stuck in spawn basically. I killed their supports several times even in these conditions, had the most damage on a Sombra, and the only one person on the entire team with an actually good kdr.

They still decided it was my fault for not switching. Whatever.

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This is my biggest frustration with the game.

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If you want me to go into more detail: I believe all people who spend enough time playing video games that they’re actively engaged in Thier communities are some level of mentally unhealthy. Yes even me! PvP games, and FPS games are just naturally more frustrating.

The reasons why overwatch specifically is slightly worse than your average PvP FPS game is the fundamental design of it. Team based game, but does not teach players that trying to play the game like it’s called of duty will not work.

Well, Devs not so much. Though they’re not exactly innocent. More like big corpa decisions.

Honestly I feel like if players didn’t scream at eachother and took Thier frustrations to blizzard (constructively) we’d have a better game. But now we just have things like leaver penalties in unranked games because players can’t actually think about what it is about the game they don’t like. So they just hurl abuse in game. Meaning Devs have less resources for content because they’re busy making penalty systems.

So I’m not disagreeing with you at all, people should take better care of Thier mental do they don’t reach a stage of anger while playing a game. I just think blizzard has more responsibility for players attitude in game than people feel they should take.

Maybe it’s a me problem, but I can’t ignore the content draught we had for 3 years while they worked on Pve, only to just not get it. And you’re right, players are the ones who choose to be toxic in game. All I’m saying is that blizzard has basically added fuel to this fire.

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Honestly, I’m just sick of them not doing something about the low endorsement level, refuse to work with a team, but will flame them teammates.

These people should be in a queue with only each other. I don’t care if it’s Quick play. If you play like Team Death match and constantly get reported it for and eat “unfair bans” for feeding all the time, then you shouldn’t be in the same queue as people actually trying.

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I’m sure I probably got a lot of those princesses in QP tonight. Good thing I can’t see what they’re crying about. The same ones who manage to go negative and have twice my deaths even though nobody’s looking at them. Which is of course because the enemy is too busy looking at ME. And yet I’M surviving and going positive, getting picks, getting in people’s way

Shooting enemies in the back while under no pressure is hard, you know. Not like they queued DPS to SHOOT THINGS OR ANYTHING

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It might be a you problem. Toxicity against other players in PvP is caused by the person’s general mindset, not by whether they got PvE or not or if their main got nerfed. Blaming anything external is just deflecting.

If what you’re saying were true, people would tend to only be toxic in the game they’re attached to and frustrated about, but a toxic player is toxic regardless of which game they’re playing.

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I’ve been getting some bad team mates. But I would never say ‘XYZ diff’. I will play with people of all abilities. And it is up to me to work out how I can best support them. Because it’s the only thing I can control.

Perhaps by staying in my lane and working on my own gameplay, I can take the weight off other people so they can focus on their gameplay.

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Yeah, we should all learn to let go of the past. Good point. I don’t be toxic on game but I’m always gonna hold blizzard to a higher standard. “If we not getting a story then what we DO get has to be amazing.” That’s my line of thought.

I’m not blaming blizzard for all the negativity and toxicity, like you said a toxic person will be toxic whatever game they play, but blizzards treatment of the game has exponentially made player toxicity worse. Imo at least!

Just because it’s each and every person’s responsibility to maintain Thier mind, that doesn’t dismiss the reasons why they’re the way they are, everything matters.

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Yeah, it is wearing watching people play the blame game (when it’s not a case of griefing, like Ice Walling off teammates deliberately or something). Come on, people. Just play it out and keep your grievences to yourself. Jeez.

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I mostly play DPS now and I’m completely detached from human emotions. Nothing I do matters, if I get kills it just means that enemy uber-fountains-of-life and uber-titan-boss are letting me. If I get crushed it means that my tank and supports are doing something wrong. Me pressing left click doesn’t change a single thing, at best I can make enemies strafe left and right and sometimes even leave control point for a bit. Picking DPS means waiting for corpse of your enemy to slowly drift by in the river. Whether it happens or not is not up to me.

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WELL…

its never my fault :man_shrugging:

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It’s not even about endorsement level, or people having a bad day or being toxic etc for me.

It’s about people that are totally ignorant to the fundamentals and somehow maintain a their rank.

Like how do players that don’t understand the significance of anti nade, and therefore don’t use it offensively, manage to maintain their rank? How it that players who repeatedly unironically ult 1v5 when their entire team is dead somehow get to diamond?

It’s so frustrating having to play with players that feel like they just picked up the game for the first time.

This has been one of the most painful shifts from OW1 to OW2 where is feels like every rank has been watered down with players that just don’t know the fundamentals of ult economy, staggering, positioning and basic cooldown usage. Personally I blame the F2P model.

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“gg tank dif” -mercy/lucio backline with a reinhardt
vs a mauga or even a rein mirror with ana/juno backline
yeah, wonder where the problem is lmao

sometimes a tank genuinely gets gapped
but acting like playing something like zen/illari or brig/lucio and expecting your tank to not have an egregious amount of downtime/play fast is just stupid

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LOL xD

Devs said it themselves, Tank is the most impactful role

And that’s about it. If you want a one sided match, you just go with a tank diff

But then there are the overperforming matches.
I see this ones coming from 10 games away, because I’m pulling the heals from the other 3 supports combined, or I’m having more than 20 players saved every 10mins

But when the losing streaks begin, I wish we had a digital shutdown apocalypse xD

And this will always happen when you are hard carrying your games.
Doesn’t matter if you survived an absolute nightmare. The more you try, or the better you do, the harder the game will hit you to make sure you lose the next game

And those are the games I actually remain cooler. Because the result is not up to you anymore. You just got the wrong side of the coin

Problem is… when does it end?
And that creates a lot of frustration.

Overwatch is a hardcore player vs player competitive game. Therfore, it will demand the very best from everyone

Now that sounds like quite a statement!
But the reality is that I have never seen anything worse in my entire life xD

And yes… we all know that this is the very same reason for how OW1 ended

Check out my last game
https://imgur.com/a/UIjUpi6

You can call ML7 and KarQ if you like

But they have no chance of carrying that. And we know that, because they can drop as low as Masters every season; multiple times

And that is not a consolation. That is, what is wrong with the game at its core

I know all the names on that enemy team. The lowest ranked player is High Masters. And some of them are playing in group

But this is not a cry about the algorithm or Solo Queueing against stacks, no.
This is just how it goes. Because in the same way this people on my team got rolled, I also got to stomp them

Its whatever side of the coin you got

But this, this is the key

You’ll know when you did well. You will know when you played right, when you went fully dwerp; when you trolled, and when you did fantasies

… but winning an impossible nightmare game, might not even feel good. And still, you will know if you hard carried or not

As for the rest, I don’t play comp anymore. Its just not worth it. Because its no different than Quickplay

Now for the challenges, I’m the super tryhard type of player, but that’s just me. Do anything you feel good about the game xD

Matter of fact, nothing is better than setting achievements for you.
They need to be realistic, or achievable. So you fine tune anything you want next

Its really no different for anyone else. Some people like Arcade, some Role Queue.
You can never go wrong with the content you play in any game. But as for the results, or the experience… I rather be aware of what is happening

And regardless of knowing the worst part of the game, you will end up in a forum ranting about how bad something is xD

But it helps avoiding burnout. And that, is also key.

It will happen; in time. I mean, that’s life lol
But as long as you trully enjoy the game at whatever level of its design, the best thing you can do is take the good with the bad

I mean, look at the forum. Everyone hates the game. Everyone hates the balance patches, the hero designs, and specially that Dev that said everything is fine! xD

And we are still here. But most important, all other forums are just the same

EOMM in Halo? What? Does that game is even still up? jk
Trust me, most live services in Online mutiplayer games, have much more in common than what players like to admit xD

I crack my butt from laughing so much when a friend tells me the disasters from Warzone. And how he uninstalled the game, because he cannot even land after jumping from the plane beacuse some moron with 4.26K/D is shooting at him while still dropping in a parachute. Or how this guy is spinning his camera like crazy and headshotting everyone from miles distance.
And I played Warzone for year and half, so I know how it is. But I also know how it will not change, and how it is so similar to Overwatch.
And the same goes for Valorant. Counter Strike, Fortnite, League, Apex Legends; doesn’t matter the name

They all share the same issues, and the one reason why those games are still alive, is because of the communities. And because there is something trully special about each of those games for their playerbase

As a raid buddy used to say on this moments: its just game! xD