Buff either the uptime or the dmg per swing.
I am also fine with make it no longer nano able. But the core problem is the low dmg of his ult.
Support have Ults now that deal MORE DMG than his, also targets are unkillable if they get healed.
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Illari, 215 dmg per person if people actually shoot at the folks who got sunstruk.
You can get away from that ult really easily. If 4 people are hit and explode to it, it’s around 860 dmg
moira can do 680 dmg per enemy if she hoses them for the entire ult’s duration. So that’s 2, 250 hp enemies if she goes after them separately.
Genji can reach 948 dmg during his ult if he hits every slash.
Which can kill 3, 250hp characters or 4, 225hp characters.
Same teoretical deadliness, but genji has more control over his ult.
Soldier’s ult can deal 702 dmg without headshots. That’s 2, 250hp enemies. Or three 225 enemies.
Junkrat’s tire is a 600dmg explosion.
Reaper’s deathblossom is 555 dmg per enemy.
Freja’s ult does 233 dmg to the enemy it’s attached to and less to the others.
Bastion can do 1650 dmg to you if you stand in the middle of all 3 explosions. More likely amount of dmg to a single person is between 750 and 600.
Cass can kill a 1800 hp target if he’s allowed to charge deadeye on them for the entire 7 seconds. But when is he?
I’d say genji’s ult is pretty much in line with other dps. And easily beats the two dmg based support ults we have.
Most ults depend on the enemies standing in a pile and not moving to get the most out of them.
Genji can chase several enemies down even when they’re not in a pile.
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I just use it to bait abilities. 
This is who they’re buffing Genji for btw
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Valkyrie doesn’t do damage, Sound Barrier doesn’t do damage, Kitsune Rush doesn’t do damage, Amplification Matrix doesn’t do damage, Rally doesn’t do damage, Transcendence do damage, Nanoboost doesn’t damage, Tree of Life doesn’t do damage, Orbital Ray doesn’t do damage…
Only Coalescence and Captive Sun do damage. 70 damage per second for 8 seconds is 560; barely enough to kill a Tank.
Captive Sun, as pointed out above is 215 per target; though the additional damage required will still lead to a lot of kills, and chain reactions.
Dragonblade, however, still does more damage than both Support Ultimates.
It’s a little over 1,000 damage now with dash cancels.
Quite a few of these numbers aren’t correct.
Genji’s ultimate is fine, especially with the new perk added.
Like other damage ultimates, it requires teamwork to make the dream work. So you’re not going to get much out of it, unless you get the team working on it, or you’re dealing with a lot of ignorant or ill-prepared players.
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Reminder that blade has one of the highest kills per 10 of any dps ultimate.
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Hes still the most broken hero in high elo. High mobility hero with 250 hp, infinite amount of projectile deflect until the ability lasts (instead of nerf it to 300 deflectable damage), dash reset on kill assist (It’s not fair. Add it as a perk to tone him down a little bit).
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My shoulders hurt from throwing up my arms at these ridiculous Genji threads.
Frankly its not even ridiculous. Genji blade was complete and utter pointless garbage until perks hit and gave it lifesteal, which plenty of people have been upset with.
Want to move Genji away from being forced into taking LS blade just to have an actual ult? Gotta buff it up in some way before you can remove the perk.
jesus christ the dumbest person on the forums right here, actually trying to get dash reset removed or perk locked. How insane are you?
Genji does not not need any buffs. If anything, he needs a 25 hp reduction.
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You people dont understand 225 and should stop bringing it up until you do
I calculated them using the ow wiki. The dmg is taken apart bit by bit. The big dmg number is a theoretical amount that the ult would get if it hits all 5 enemies for the maximum dmg possible.
If you stand in a reaper ult for the whole duration, you will take 555dmg from it.
Point blank, junkrat’s tire is 600dmg.
Soldier’s ult is just legal aimhack. It doesn’t boost his dmg at all, so the amount of dmg is what he would do regularly. He just can’t miss if he’s even barely keeping his target on the screen.
Freja’s ult
25 (direct hit)
90 (over time)
100 - 60 (explosion, enemy)
The ult lasts for 1.2 seconds.
If the numbers are wrong, then it’s because ow wiki has them wrong.
Genji players perma think the hero is trash when he’s been a very powerful pick that dominates the top500 leaderboard for, what, a year now at least? It’s kind of annoying.
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The issue is Genji isnt strong where his players want him to be. The character has zero actual agency, he cant make his own plays like he used to be able to before season 9.
He’s strong right now but his primary strength is just his safety and how hes just THE best follow up for your tank. A winston dives and Genji can guarantee 90 damage by dash melee alone.
But straight up people want playmaker Genji back, not mindless tank follow up Genji.
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It results in 2-4 kills nearly every time it’s used. Most of the cast can’t counter it. You are overreacting.
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People keep bringing it up because they do understand. Genji players need to cut the BS and stop trying to gaslight everyone.
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Except they dont in the slightest. Sombra has 225. Widow has 225. Moira and Kiri have 225.
These heroes have zero combat mobility, only escape cooldowns. But obviously escapes arent what cause 225 right, I mean venture is 250. Reaper is 300.
Blizzard gave the blanket reason of mobility but the reality is the choices for 225 say something else entirely, and anyone who cant see that doesnt deserve a voice in the conversation.
225 exists to address heroes who can be impossible to pin down and heroes who arent able to be interacted with by the majority of the roster/play from distances far beyond what hitscans can interact with.
Like Pharah Echo who just arent consistently touchable by projectile heroes.
Like Widow who operates far outside of everyones range such that falloff from the other hitscans alter her breakpoints.
Like how Moira Kiri are more than able to do whatever they want and with the press of a button are not just out of danger but still able to do their jobs.
Unlike heroes like Genji, who more closely fit with Reaper than he does with any of the 225 heroes.
A character who while very safe like a Venture or Reaper, cant escape danger without completely removing themselves from the fight. Their power drops DRAMATICALLY should they use their abilities to escape, unlike Kiri or Moira who are still perfectly happy to sit back and heal.
And besides that Genji really doesnt have much combat mobility. Double jump and wallclimb only make you an easier target. Dont think so? Watch top 500 gameplay and see how little everyone jumps. Why? Because jumping means you no longer have 100% acceleration for juking, and are stuck in a predictable movement.
All he has is a single dash at any given time. If he uses it to go in its to confirm a kill, if doesnt confirm it he has nothing and is dead. If he uses it just to TRY and burst kill someone hes just dead. Dash resets are at best win harder buttons when you see him chaining them together.
225 is not for Genji and you lobies whove had your brains scoped out through your eye sockets physically dont understand what youre asking for, but in true moron fashion you really think you do, and its crazy.
You want a nerf Id be okay giving Genji that would actually be good for you low elo players but would really not matter much for good players? Nerf deflect duration back down to 1.5 seconds.
Thats a nerf I think he probably deserves that would be healthy. But 225? Stop bringing it up, you creatures straight up dont understand why it exists, stop pretending you do just because Blizzard gave it a singular over generalized sentence, as if that would ever actually cover all the reasons why they bothered to do something like 225.
I mean for gods sake HANZO was part of the initial heroes who got 225 before they decided to move him back to 250. You think Hanzo was so hyper mobile guys? Of course not.
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Did I call it or what? It took all of 2 days.
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Here we go again. The same regurgitated lines (with some insults thrown in for good measure), from an obvious pro level Genji player who’s just miles above everyone else.
This is why nobody takes you guys seriously. I just can’t with these guys.
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