Sustain wise he may appear that way.
Burst damage wise he is less than doomfist but has a very good kit to deal final blows and escape out of various situation
his burst damage with combos is high but thats reasonable considering they are only close range and usually require he has dash up. otherwise, his damage is mediocre compared to the others.
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Yeah no kidding.
So does every single character.
You may think that hit scans dont need help but they also do too.
Mccree and widow need to be protected against divers and other hit scans.
You think tracer or doom are independent? No.
They perform best when thereâs pressure and distraction from your team.
Also, you may be unintentionally implying that Genji should be able to consistently get kills without help of his team.
No.
Damn, I canât take you serious after this. You do you boo.
imagine complaing about genji when heroes like brig exist.
Probably canât take me seriously because you donât have a counter argument.
Why dont you argue that Tracer can do 2K+ on OWL or GM level on a consistent basis without the presence of his team?
By your standards, a tracer or doomfist should be getting consistent kills even when itâs a 1vs6 situation.
If what you want for Gebji is exactly the above, what is his bottleneck in achieving this?
Take a look at OWL and how they play the game. Ever see a lone wolf carrying the game?
No.
But why do Genji mains insist on this concept?
Yes, blizz has stayed they want to give heroes more impact and carry potential but you cannot completely dismiss the team aspect to it.
But ofc you are too smart with your âl33T SkiLlzâ that you find discussing this subject with me, I guess I canât stop you.
What even is enormously invalid stretch that you call a post??
I literally never expected someone, even in the mess that are these Forums, to claim that ââGenjiâs game play can cause epileptic seizures, motion sickness, damage to ears, etc.ââ⌠Itâs clear that you have absolutely zero idea what youâre talking about and how all these conditions are actually caused. Additionally, even if this invalid point that youâre trying to make here was actually true, that would apply to almost all heroes in the game without any exceptions.
If you want to make a point about a hero being unhealthy for the game in your own opinion, limit your arguments to the game itself next time and not to invalidly associated real - life medical conditions.
No idea what youâre trying to say here. You know you could bait an ability by landing a shot on a hero, right? In this case, you can shoot the Genji a couple of times, wait for his deflect to cancel/drop, and then finish him off unless a) during this Genji fight, the enemy team won the team fight and now is helping the Genji or b) Genji retreats using his dash.
Itâs not like deflect only has an audio queue, it has a pretty blatant visual queue as well. I just stated the audio queue part as thatâs what I use a lot of times as a Zarya and hitscan main.
Personally, yes.
Ah yes, because I find it easy to not shoot into the deflect means that I wouldnât have an issue with Genji receiving a nerf as devestating as what youâve stated here.
This part is just you forming a strawman argument to make my points easier to attack.
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Heâs been here since launch.
He is supposed to beat supports, ask your team to protect you from him and he just fed.
You do t turn you head when playing a game lol, what u on about.
Donât forget that after they remove his legs they need to reduce Moiraâs aim requirements even more by increasing her range to 50 meters and they also have to give brig the master sword
So deliberately stop continuing to shoot in hopes of baiting out deflect. Which theyâll just cancel as soon as they realise they were baited. This is an extraordinary power of genji, he can attack you all out relentlessly but you have to second guess every attack against him.
Also not in sync, also very similar to all the other visual clutter including the shuriken tracers right across your screen. I think you know perfectly well the limitations and youâre playing them down.
Thatâs not a straw man,
You want to have it both ways. You want to hold simultaneous contradictory positions that deflect dealing damage by reflection is insignificant yet also the damage dealt by reflecting damage is so significant it cannot be lost in any context.
That it would be âdevastatingâ to lose it to just one type of damage!
Which is it?
I didnât âform a straw manâ I asked you to take a consistent stance and youâve proved you have to speak out of both sides of your mouth to defend genji.
Genji has already had an extremely good buff from being able to cancel deflect.
But thatâs exactly what people love about Genji - that he doesnât have those mandatory weaknesses, that make hero clunky and easy to counter. We have more healthy heroes, that were keeping him in line, but they often fail now.
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Hanzoâs leal if horizontal. Genji is vertical. Vertical movement is nowhere as good as horizontal, especially when you need to touch the ground to jump again.
It befuddles me how people donât get this concept
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Threads like this one are the reason no one takes the forums seriously, you are plat on dps for a reason, either acknowledge your mistakes and get better or quit the game cause the game is not going to be balanced around you so you can rank up.
As Iâve worked my way through Genjiâs kit, the genji mains on these forums say each and every part of his kit is a top priority and cannot be lost.
His mobility is utterly non-negotiable and any discussion stops right there. They donât even try to argue the point they argue against the very idea that you could consider genji be any less mobile. They wonât even defend it, theyâll say it doesnât even need to be defended, no context can change that.
Theyâre acting like only two of his 6 buffs being reverted is a brutal blow that somehow leave him worse off than before. Genji had an above average pickrate even before his many buffs.
After defending a part of their kit as having an inconsequential effect they then say to lose it would be âdevastatingâ.
Genjiâs deflect is most devastating against rapid fire hitscan heroes.
Bullets hitting genji have a red flash, when combined with fast movement across a screen and any reasonably affordable monitor the result is an indistinguishable red blur. Itâs useless playing it back at lower speed, the blur happens within the monitor.
You can test this blur for yourself in game, find some text on a poster or something, go right up to it and pan your mouse left and right. Youâll notice the text becomes blurred even though you can easily follow the text, if you hold up paper to the screen with same size text and move it across the screen at the same rate youâll see of course the text isnât blurred. This is screen motion blur. It is very very expensive to get a monitor that doesnât have this problem, doubly so as you need a very high framerate for such low-blur monitors to work.
All genjis exploit this whether they know it or not.
With heroes with intermittent fire rate thereâs a good chance they will have time to react and lift off firing before the fire rate resets so not shoot a single shot into deflect. Not only are they not getting the red hit-decals along with the blur, they.
How do you not get the concept of âbegging the questionâ?
Begging the question is where all you do is assume youâre right and then go from there to reinforce that. You canât say why thatâs the case, you just ridicule anyone for opposing it. You shouldnât be âbefuddledâ all youâre doing is saying arrogantly âIâm right⌠how do you not automatically agree with me?!?â
Iâve explained why vertical mobility is better precisely for the range that Genji fights.
Hanzoâs horizontal mobility is good to move into or out of cover, at the range he fights vertical mobility wonât get him above anyoneâs field of view.
Genjiâs vertical mobility allows him to jump above peopleâs field of view which is especially good after using Swift Strike to appear in some position outside their field of view. Their opponent spins around a full turn and sees nothing. Because Genji has gotten ABOVE their field of view.
Thereâs completely insincere comparisons with Pharah using vertical mobility from 20-40m away. That wonât move you out of anyoneâs field of view.
iâm not even agreeing with OP to nerf movement⌠but you have to admit that this movement IS good! Iâm fed up of these forums playing down their heroes strengths in a transparent attempt to shield their favoured hero from any attempts to rein in where they are overpowered.
âas proof of how much I donât consider these forums serious I literally just started posting on these forumsâ
Youâre totally fake.
You do think this is serious, youâre just terrified of how many will take this seriously so desperately cast aspersions on it.
In my opinion, Genji needs much less damage, to account for his insane mobility.
One huge aspect of Genjiâs damage profile that keeps getting overlooked is his deflect.
This aspect is constantly obscured and downplayed with endless exaggeration of how easy and reliable it is to avoid shooting into deflect. This is a transparent attempt to hide a source of Genjiâs damage which is one of the worst types of damage in the game as itâs damage you can deal while 100% immune to types of damage.
And this is an aspect of Genjiâs kit he could most afford to lose to at least some extent, especially with the recent buffs to the duration of Deflect and the ability to easily cancel it.
A DPS hero having a 2 second immunity to non-beam damage on an 8 second second cooldown is already amazing. Contrast it with Defence Matrix and Kinetic Grasp, Deflect can stop more things like Roadhogâs Hook, he has a better defence than tanks with reflecting damage on top?
The old excuses of duration and inability to cancel it no longer apply.
And still that, both tracer and genji were the one selling games and selling the OWL in the first year.
You are playing this game thanks to them, you like it or notâŚ
As Zen, Iâd take Tracer over Genji any day. His orbs are safer when fighting her, Genji has a bigger advantage against projectile heroes because of deflect which often puts them in âdamned if you do, damned if you donâtâ situations.
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