Not even a meme. Devs really stopped caring.
Honestly, at this point, why don’t you just delete every hero that isn’t hitscan or a Shimada since appeasing the people that want this game to be CoD reskin is all that matters now?
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It does amaze me how reluctant they are to nerf hitscans.
We wouldn’t even need to power creep the living hell out of Genji if they had nerfed the overtuned hitscans like Soldier, Tracer, McCree, Widow, and Ashe.
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soldier, overtuned… I agree the other hitscan are stupidly overpowered, but soldier? The most middle of the road hero in this game?
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Alright, Imma hit that with the big doubt
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That’s fine
It’s not as if people barely wanna play tank as it is due to lack of choice and less than half of them being viable
Oh wait
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Was trying to play Ball, got face to face with a Genji, he held down M2 killed me despite the fact I even used shields.
With Reaper, I could have simply run away. Can’t even do that vs Genji.
So please explain how Genji isn’t a tank counter at this point.
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Rather than adjust the others downward, they boosted Soldier’s burst with the 6 second helix cooldown to adjust him upward.
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Sure, but he is still middle of the pack. He is probably the standard in which they need to balance the rest of the dps line-up.
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Yeah he never needed the helix rocket buff. Soldier is the best he’s ever been, eveb better now than when he was meta and called OP. He is just bad compared to McCree/Ashe/Widow/Tracer’s power levels.
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Reaper is still a better counter if he can get in there without a hitscan picking him off - 3 shots to most tanks and they are gone and he has his life back. But genji is probably now better at getting in there than reaper although he takes a lot longer to kill the tanks giving others more time to take him out. I’d still say, at least in bronze, reaper is way better at killing tanks on some maps, especially with his get-out-of-jail-free card but Genji is a close second for close range (widow, hanzo, etc. are still better than genji though as they don’t have to engage).
Only in high ranks. In low ranks reaper is still way better, and the sad fact is that genji countered tanks better than reaper in high ranks even before he was buffed, because reaper is total garbo up there.
You can’t run from Genji as Ball? You ain’t trying, simple as that
Plus, Genji’s damage isn’t nearly as threatening, so yeah. Reaper would tear you apart like twice as fast in the same scenario.
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Thats one big if though.
Moving slightly faster isn’t that. Even when he’s invincible for the duration.
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Seriously? It still takes genji at least 6 (or 7?) right clicks to kill a mouse without shields. It is a lot more with them. How can you possibly not run away if you had shields? Genji has a single dash for 20m or whatever, ball can grapple and be out of 20m range in 1 second or less. You are doing something seriously wrong if you couldn’t run away with over 600 HP!!
With reaper you can be dead with 3 left clicks so getting time to grapple away can be a lot harder. And because of the hitbox on ball even as you get your grapple and start to move you still take huge damage so with shields he can often still get 4-5 shots on you and kill you before you get out of range.
It’s not like Genji can just dash after me.
And yes, his damage IS that threatening. At least Reaper is supposed to that. Fighting tanks is an explicit weakness for Genji, at least supposedly.
Why do I have to run away from him in the first place is my point. Genji is not supposed to shred tanks and yet he does it anyway.
Reaper one of the DPS heroes I really like playing, so I am well aware of the fact, thanks alot. But again, killing tanks is basically all Reaper is good for, for years on end at this point. He was already outclassed by Tracer, now Genji has surpassed him in every way as well.
And people call him “nO sKILl” despite how limited he is and how he has to approach a situation. It’s actually maddening.
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I don’t disagree that genji is now in OP territory against tanks. I play hog in skirmish (stopped playing tanks in game a while ago because, well, tanks) and the last few days genjis are mostly on fire all the time in skirmish and if I don’t hook them, which is no easy feat now that you can’t time the end of deflect, then I am basically dead without help from a teammate. Before these buffs fights with genji were often close but I usually won them as hog. Sigma, who already struggled against genji once genji got in close, has pretty much no chance now. Orisa has a chance as long as she has a barrier to dance around.
So yes, your point that he shreds tanks is valid, but I think ball is one of the tanks with the best chance to at least make an escape and has the accuracy with his left click to have a better chance than most of the tanks to actually take down the genji. Of course, it is much harder than it was before.
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Genji’s primary shoots 3 shurikens every 0.95 seconds so doing what, 94 dps.
Meanwhile with right click he’s capable of spamming 138dps now, at 0.65 fire rate. Within 10 meters. Already leaving enemies in range of his dash and/or melee kill.
Secondary is grossly overbuffed compared to his primary. It was never meant to be spammable outside of melee range because of it’s faster fire rate.
Genji shouldn’t be able to kill every squishie within 15 meters of him in 1.3 seconds, the time it takes for him to shoot right click twice and dash, with zero skill requirement. It’s stupid.
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yea i sort of agree. the only thing genji really needed was an increase to his projectile speed and maybe the spread reduction to be at least competing with other dps. everything else is kinda overkill especially the deflect changes. maybe even a faster reload tbh
I personally don’t think he’s overtuned himself, but I think buffing his Helix Rocket cooldown was unnecessary and it’s power-creep, too. It didn’t help him at all but it was to try desperately to make him relevant amidst buffing McCree, Ashe, etc.
I’d hope they’d look at it if they choose to nerf burst damage a bit, since they dump on sustained damage heroes.
Genji can’t dash nearly far enough to keep up with a ball though.
And no, his damage is not that high. Furthermore, who told you that fighting tanks was supposed to be an implicit weakness for Genji?
No character is straight up strong or weak against an entire role, that would be nonsensical