if low ranks want to improve and climb the ranks they need to get better, not whine that things need nerfs
“reaper should not self heal”
“torbs shotgun is too strong”
“junkrats grenades hitbox is too big”
“brigs bash does too much damage”
“bastion is too strong”
most heroes in this game are not severely overpowered, improve and get better
i truly believe the game should be balanced around masters grandmaster and OWL
I still don’t remember anyone saying this. Most people just wanted rip-tire to charge slower, or less damage on CC mines…
You don’t remember, BECAUSE NO ONE SAID IT.
Blizz just forked up.
Most people would probably just phrase it as “He’s too spammy” (not just a low rank issue). Digging into what that really means, he could spam into a room or hallway and make it impossible to even Frogger one’s way through the spam without dying, which in part could be attributed to the size of the bouncing bombz.
The other stuff also isn’t rank related at all, other than maybe the Reaper healing.
really hilarious when a junkrat OTP is complaining about balance being skewed towards low ranks 
God damn I really can’t see this anymore and not think RevertMercy
that’s annoying
All i see people talk about is 222, mercy, sym, current meta and etc…
i dont think anyone has said any of these things
What does that have to do with anything? Half the GMs in east coast are all one tricks.
I never understood the “Junk is just a spam hero” argument. It’s exactly what he was designed to do to stop you from going in an area. Devs themselves have said it as well lol
Idk but I’ve never heard anyone complain about any of these things. I don’t know where you’re getting this from lmao
It really depends upon the accessibility of the unit. Brigitte with her shield bash and burst damage potential along with bulk and safety of bashing was certainly far too rewarding for how little one has to practice. It was certainly a low tier issue and should be avoided.
That is a case where she never should have had burst damage in the first place. The shield and rally nerf was not really needed if the shield bash adjustments such as no going through shield and collided with other people came first.
That has literally nothing to do with talk on balance.
They made it to GM, they play a character they know well.
You do realize people who aren’t awesome at the game want to play and have fun too right?
You don’t understand how oppressive Reaper was for lower ranks.
You can’t just say “Git gud” because if they could then they would have already. These people are trying to “git gud” but they can’t. I will never make master league for instance. There are many, many people who are “stuck” in their rank. As in they have hit their plateau.
If you really want to balance this game only for the top 5% of the population you will find that you have a dead game.
It is not about the rank. It is about the type of player. Whiners. Look at all the GM that cry about Widow instead of playing the game properly. It is a lot. They should look at what is actually happening and make balance decisions based on that. Period. If they care about player perception, they are doing a poor job of showing it regardless.
we never said this, just that it should NOT be 50%
none of us complained about this
none of us said this
this was said mainly by the tracer and genji populations in the higher ranks
its just the fact that it requires much more skill to counter than play and thats where the strength lies
the game should not be balanced around owl at all
not even 0.001%
gm and everything else, fine, but there needs to be a thought about how something may affect lower ranks
like the reaper change
say there was a hardstuck gold player that just onetricked that op reaper to masters or so
then once he gets there he’s basically throwing because of how useless he is there and how he only knows that one hero to abuse
ok then also high ranks need to not complain about defense matrix or widow headshots
What do you mean by “low ranks”? it should be done for gold and aim at the biggest player group obviously. That’s why balancing isn’t easy. You have to find a state where the game is playable be the majority of the player and then find tweaks that not change the state but also prevent the top ranks and pros to break the game. Sometimes it is easy to do, 5% more damage is hardly a change in the mid but when it hit a sweet spot it can have a big impact on the top, while for example making Ball bigger is less effective in higher ranks but might be in the lower.
There’s a difference between “not catering [balance] towards low ranks” and “making the gameplay diverse and enjoyable for as many people as possible”.
Top-down balancing works for the 1% and the 1% only. Everyone else below suffers.
Middle-out > top-down.
Here’s the problem: Blizzard themselves have no interest in “balancing” for OWL.
They either deliberately dumpster heroes to a state of being completely unplayable, or they buff them to godlike levels, all for the purpose of forcefully manipulating the OWL meta with literally no consideration of how it affects ladder.
Balance isn’t actually a goal for them. Keeping the OWL viewer experience fresh is the only priority.
This entire topic is just one big load of irony coming from you
This is especially rich. Maybe you should take your own advice? Because all you ever do is complain about how bad Junkrat is.
Balance should never “cater” to the low end
However.
Balance should always keep the low end in mind.
You absolutely can not have things that destroy the low end experience either.
Low end players do need to git the proverbial gud- but they need to WANT to git it. If they have a horrible experience along the way, they’re far more inclined to just pass right along onto the next game.
That is the literal definition of “unhealthy”- allowing things to remain that kill the population.
Context.
You need to always keep it in mind.