Smurfing is a problem, but it isn’t the reason people can’t climb. Especially sub Diamond.
Massive exaggeration.
What also happened was you were focusing on your own goals on how to play better, rather than focusing on what your team was doing wrong. This is what everyone should strive to do
Logical fallacy doesn’t need any sort of introduction, it exists whether or not you can accept it exists.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/begging-the-question
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One side will almost always have a smurf, or someone who doesn’t know how to play.
Not every low level is a smurf, especially at your rank.
Again, I was talking about the insane skill differences found in ranks filled with average players. Smurfs should be removed, and the lower skilled players should find their place in lower ranks.
This is due to the players not the system. People have an SR where they can play just without any trouble, an SR where they have to try and an SR where they have to play at their best 100% of the time to reach it.
Take me:
- 2900-3100: I can play any hero at this rank and just do pretty much whatever i want, but i won’t drop lower because that is my lowest skill rank.
3100-3300: Here i have to be competitive and feel good.
3300-3500+: This is where i need to be perfect and everything needs to fall in it’s place. I can’t make mistakes here.
See the SR difference of 600? That’s not due to a “forced” loss streak or anything. That’s just me as a person, as does any other person in the world have this.
I have no doubt that you will get at least somewhat close to the rank which you belong at, but once you reach a certain area, you will get a flux of bad matches and then good matches.
Just read above
Blizzard has given very little information about their competitive system.
Blizzard have shown enough in order to understand how the system works without giving people the ability to abuse it. If you give more information, you will get more people that abuse the system to climb.
I showed compelling evidence (just like you said) about how a collection of wins are followed by a collection of losses
We were playing some games a couple of days ago and we had lost 3 in a row. He asked me if I wanted to play 2 more, and I told him that we would lose anyways. This wasn’t out of sadness from losing the last 3 games, I just knew we would be paired with people who were going to throw/leave. The next two games, we lost both due to throwers. The next day, the matches were fine and there were no throwers or leavers.
Your “evidence” is flawed, you get loss streak because you are in a losing mindset. You describe it perfectly above, you lose 3 matches in a row. Probably should have already stopped after the 2nd one, especially if you keep thinking it is due to throwers. Than you decide to play 2 more games, all while you are already thinking you will lose. Yes those last 2 matches had a thrower, it was YOU.
Know when to play, learn your own temper.
The only people who want to let people smurf are people who have smurfs. Anyone with a brain can acknowledge that smurfing is a problem.
I don’t have a smurf or any alt-account and smurfs are not a problem on PC.
Only on console because there people can make infinite accounts.
Easy to solve, show your gameplay and not a perfect match. But an average match.
But again, I have multiple friends in higher ranks who tell me that I belong higher and have a hard time playing against me.\
First: Friends don’t like to hurt each others feelings, they are not going to tell you if you are bad.
Second: One vs One isn’t a comparison of a comp game. There are plenty of examples of good mechanical players/hackers who can’t climb because the rest of their skill base is just pure trash
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This is much ado about nothing. Unfortunately, you’re in gold and you just need to get better at the game. Once you do, you’ll win more frequently and get better performance based SR gains and lesser performance based SR losses.
Herein lies your problem. The fact that you restrict yourself from playing certain heroes because you arbitrarily assign status to said heroes based on perception of skill required to play the heroes well is preventing you from climbing.
There are no forced streaks. You’re either not good enough in general or purposely choosing heroes you’re not good enough to play at the rank you’re in.
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This account was placed to low plat because I had a leaver in my first two placement games even though my real skill is higher. I thought I’d ditch this account but then played it as an experiment. It took me 147 games to go through plat and I even took a dive under 2500 at one point. Every time I won enough games (not only in streaks but just gaining high enough win percentage) I started a loss streak and almost every time there was a leaver on the first loss followed by games with one or two throwers. It’s easy to spot them by looking at their stats, hero picks, win percentages and watching them while waiting for spawning. I lost 3-4 games and magically after that I got decent teams again (or good enough for me to drag them to win anyway).
My guess is that this is a phenomena caused by the match maker when balancing games to a 50-50 win probability. My MMR got high enough compared to my SR and it was balanced out by placing weaker players to my team (MMR lower than SR) who in overwatch just too often happen to be deliberately losing.
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Do you realize how tinfoil you sound?
Matchmaker: Hmm this player is on a winning streak. Let’s match them with someone I know will leave or throw because I’m the omnipotent matchmaker that predicts throwers and leavers and I’ll be sure to put them on this player’s team and not the other team.
This also means that everyone else on your team must be on a winning streak too and everyone on the other team must be on a losing streak. Or are you the only “special” player in the MM’s eyes?
Do you realize that the answer to your question was in my post? Read this part again:
I started a loss streak and almost every time there was a leaver on the first loss followed by games with one or two throwers.
What do you consider a “thrower”?
Could it be that your mindset changed after that leaver, where you couldn’t perform optimal anymore. Resulting in you being uncapable of playing that that SR/skill level.
The player that picks hanzo as a third dps and has 20% win rate. The guy who has won 20 games and lost 50 in the current competitive season. The teen fighting in spawn that if someone does not switch from their main they will afk on base. The guy who playes widow and hits absolutely nothing. The list is practically endless.
No when playing on an account I care nothing about and 1000SR below my real skill level.
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Dunno, just had a run of very good games. But also ended up with a terrible team on Anubis. All it takes is one scumbag being abusive in chat and it ruins everything…
But, am also focused on team mate errors, in that most of the time they don’t want to use the big shiny shield. The number of times I see team mates getting fragged when there’s a shiny Orisa shield 2 metres behind them is a heck of a lot.
Hence why I am picking up more maneuverable characters that can work around my team rather than expect my team mates to have the sense to stand behind a shield, or do much of anything to be honest…
I had one great Orisa game last night with a team that used my shield and was foolish enough to play her again. Next game my whole team Leeroy Jenkins in front of my shield and gets fragged. Watching the 20 hp baby DVa try to fight 4 enemies from 6’ away was “amusing” to watch… With my shield being 6’ behind the team fight made it all doubly “amusing”…
See this is where logic always fails in these posts.
The Matchmaker does not know whether someone is a thrower or a leaver or isn’t a team player beforehand. It isn’t psychic and can’t know players intentions.
Now whether the game puts you in slightly less favorable games so you lose SR to put you back closer to where your MMR is. That’s a possibility.
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Not a thrower, bad pick yes. Not a smart choice, yes. Throwing, NO.
The guy who has won 20 games and lost 50 in the current competitive season.
Again not a thrower, playing bad isn’t throwing.
The teen fighting in spawn that if someone does not switch from their main they will afk on base.
Staying AFK in spawn is throwing.
The guy who playes widow and hits absolutely nothing.
Not a thrower, again playing bad isn’t throwing.
It’s easy to spot them by looking at their stats, hero picks, win percentages and watching them while waiting for spawning.
This is your problem, you are already assuming things going south before the match even began. In all those matches you lost due to your so called “throwers”, you were the thrower by checking their stats and assuming the match was already lost.
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LOL what a home psychologist :). Anything that does not contribute to winning a competitive game is throwing. I always play to my best ability even if the team around me is crappy.
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Anything that does not contribute to winning a competitive game is throwing. I always play to my best ability even if the team around me is crappy.
So by your logic you are a thrower, you assume a match is lost before it has even started. You can’t play to your best ability when you already assume a match is lost because you think some picks aren’t right.
Some players are bad, that is just a fact. You can’t report them for throwing just because they are bad players. Else this player base would have been close to zero right now.
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Who said anything about assuming? I just check their stats and play my game. It usually ends in defeat when there are two THROWERS in your team. Once I said in voice chat that they are now the team I’m supposed to lose with but hey, that’s ok. They were already fighting in spawn room. They actually switched the heroes they knew how to play and we won :).
I can’t check you rank with a phone but if you are really telling me that you can’t recognize a thrower in this game you may not know that much about what I’m referring to.
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You did, you assume somebody is throwing when you look at their stats in spawn. Not a second has been played and you already assume people throw.
I can’t check you rank with a phone but if you are really telling me that you can’t recognize a thrower in this game you may not know that much about what I’m referring to.
My rank is ~3100-3200 , just look me up on overbuff: Amaro-21901.
This has nothing to do with it though because I am capable of seeing a thrower.
A thrower is somebody that is disrupting the teams play on purpose. Like jumping off the map, afk in spawn, building turrets in spawn etc.
Not somebody playing a hero you don’t like, picking a comp you don’t like or picking a hero that they are not that good with.
I can perfectly see and acknowledge a thrower, unlike you.
how are you in diamond with a gold players mentality? just because they pick widow and aren’t playing like Kephrii doesn’t mean they’re throwing. widow is extremely powerful and just because they aren’t in the kill feed with 4 headshots in a row doesn’t mean they’re throwing.