If you force 2-2-2 without role select/queue 90% of the matches will result in:
And if it’s comp, most of your games won’t start.
If people want 2-2-2, they need to be accepting of role queue.
That’s the whole point of role queue, forcing 2-2-2 with it…
I doubt they will force 222 in QP. And even if they do forced role queue, you can enjoy plenty of throwers and leavers. Let us not pretend people who support forced roles are looking for better games by any definition other than better team compositions. It is just sooo disingenous.
Leavers and throwers will always exist. But bad comps are a big problem and role queue can fix it…
Of course, but people are just begging for the problem to become MUCH more prevalent. And even in a fantasy land where nobody at all wants to throw, we are going to have at least a month of MAJOR soft throwing while SR normalizes for 3 different ranks per person.
Fair enough. But I was mostly pointing it out that you can’t have the former without the latter.
Not necessarily. The game can place matches where there are equal roles on each team, rather than having to have 2-2-2, the game can match a forced 1-3-2 against a 1-3-2. Or a 2-1-3 against a 2-1-3.
and what’s the point of doing that?
Soft throwing doesn’t exist. Regardless Believe it or not, I would be okay with that. Even if it takes a month for the SR to readjust, if it would improve match quality as a whole…
To have balanced matches. Isn’t that your objective? to not pit 5DPS mains against a team of 2-2-2 or to not pit GOATS against a no healer comp?
why should it form comps different from 2-2-2?
Because not everyone want to play 2-2-2? Because there’s a much higher ratio of DPS players?
I suspect if SR gets divided by role, you are going to see a hard reset. Either that, or they’ll calculate each ahead of time based on the hidden MMR for each role and let you know generally where you fall in each role. Something like: Tank: Plat, Damage: Diamond, and Support: Gold.
So forcing someone to solo tank/ heal just because there are tons of dps mains? You know, in that situation Zarya, Dva, Hog (if there’s only one tank) or Lucio, Brig, Zen would never be played since they can’t solo their role…
You get what I mean… People will not understand their role and winnable games will be thrown as a result. That is the fantasy land scenario, throwing based on queue times will be much worse in the long term.
If people keep experiencing throwers, they will want to leave, a lot of DPS will just leave in the first month. With less players in the pool, matchmaking has to loosen. With that comes more stomp or be stomped matches which makes more people leave and the cycle continues.
But yes, I know you would be fine with it. As I stated, it is pretty clear people who want forced 222 are so selfish to the degree that literally the only thing they care about is having tanks and supports on the team.
Isn’t refusing to help your team with a tank or a supp selfish? Or complaining about role queue because as a dps main your queue times will be a little bit longer?
For a little bit (and that’s not throwing if they’re trying their best and trying to win.) Until SRs adjust. If they have individual SRs for each role, then you can be more certain (though never 100%) that the person playing tank in gold, is a gold level tank player. Or that the person playing DPS in diamond isn’t someone who’s been one-tricking a healer (until they got peeved) and that they belong as a diamond level DPS.
The former, yes. The latter, no. You see, I actually plan on having a lot of fun once role queue is announced. This is not throwing, by the way 
, I am going to select Hog and get up high to my usual rank… And then, when someone asks me to swap off Hog… I am going to do it. Rofl. You have no idea how bad I am at tank, the only reason I can climb with Hog is because he is a DPS. But it will be glorious and my schadenfreude will be off the charts.
And guess what? I have a flex player duo. So I, as a DPS, will very likely get into games faster than the poor solo queue DPS players. And if all else fails… DPS focused Baptiste could be fun in lower ranks.
And remember it is not throwing. The best part is most of the people who wanted 222 will not even care because they prefer a DPS Baptiste to me carrying on Soldier. That is how backwards some of their logic is.
I digress, I am against it for the betterment of the game. Ironically I am an altruist in this moment as my intention of playing the game will evolve once role queue drops.
I seriously doubt the devs would do let that be how it happens.
Most likely, DPS players wouldn’t queue into a game with no dps slots available because that’s the entire point of a role queue. It would probably work like LFG does now when roles are forced. The role you queue as is the you play.
Otherwise I don’t think the devs would be bothering.
I think MatchQ is FAR more likely to happen.
so roleQ, but, 2-2-2, 3-2-1 and 3-1-2 games (for both teams)
Yes, this is clearly true.
Actually what will happen is the 2 support players will go hard dps. Like battle mercy and damage Moira. So technically you would be hard stuck with 2 tanks and 4 dps.