Yes guys in theory you are not wrong but not right either. In reality Diva DM is superior by far to Barier. Something blocked by the barier can still cause an efect in this speedy game. Once DM is activated, all interactions are gone. Just couple examples:
- Ana nade can stil hit an enemy next to barier + barier gets lowered regen rate
- Ashe dynamite can still burn
- Junkrat mine can stick on barier and used as escape tool
- Pulsebomb can stick on barier and still do the job
- Hanzo dragon
- Echo bombs
- Graviton etc etc etc a olenty interactions
Diva DM? Everything is gone. The only things I can remind is better barier are blocking Zen/Lucio ult and Diva ult which cannt be done by DM. Maybe couple more, but I dont have a time for that. In game, where the object is to deal dmg, and only 1 hero can deny 100% of incoming bullets/ults/whatever = unfair!
DM > Barier
wat?is anyone saying barriers are better than dm?wat??
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I’m a GM D.Va player, and yes, you’re absolutely correct.
However, Matrix is not really an issue for what it does, but actually its uptime imo.
Very little thought is put into using current DM. It’s mostly “eat big cooldown”, or “save that guy”, or just a survival tool until you have jets.
There is very little risk involved since it has only a 1 second cooldown, so the concept of baiting the cooldown doesn’t apply most of the time.
I really wouldn’t mind a cooldown of like 2-3 seconds to inject some risk into its usage.
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Na shields are more broken against hitscan. Sigma poke is the cringiest thing in the game and stacking another shield like Reins on that zzzzz
DVA is WAY better designed than Sigma, then again Sigma has a shield, defense matrix and CC
Barriers are better in low elo. DM becomes better once players start learning to focus fire. Since if players focus the tank, the shield can be broken in like 2 seconds. But takes WAY longer to recharge. Plus DM can eat ults.
you lost me at “diva”
Under 6v6, Defense Matrix is so good that Dva was pretty much meta defining for years and years at almost every iteration of the game.
With 5v5, matrix is nothing that impressive since you can’t run both Defense Matrix AND shield as you can with 6v6. If the game does tend back into that direction or at the very least under the test cases of season 14 Dva’s going to be good on pretty much any team.
Especially since shields got depleted so much and most of the tanks that have released have not given anything to rival the power of defense matrix. 6v6 will very much incentivize running double tanks with some type of damage mitigation utility.
Any tank that can actually block damage is going to be super invaluable in a 6v6 situation, but its only in a 5v5 situation when you have to deal with all of a tank’s flaws and strengths that defense matrix is less useful. We have kind of seen that where Dva has not been super meta defining herself and we’ve seen more situations of all sorts of tanks being played.
X to doubt
both being a dva player and GM
So long as they don’t find a way to gigabuff Sigma’s or Ram’s shields somehow, I don’t think double shield will be a problem.
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- blocks less ults
- vulnerability to beams
- smaller hitbox
it does have its upsides through more range and the ability to eat projectiles instead of blocking them, neither are better than the other because they both have weaknesses at the end of the day
like a junkrat or bastion spamming a shield will kill it very quick, but they do nothing to defence matrix
Its never really been fully about double shield. Its been about the utility of the offtank role being heavily monopolized by Dva throughout the entirety of the game’s history. Sigma was really the first tank in a long while to overthrow Dva as the sort of universal offtank. Sure enough he has grasp, but its not as versatile as defense matrix.
Zarya is situationally helpful depending upon the tank.
Dva is useful in any composition. Very much the same as Sigma.
Roadhog of old was situationally helpfuly in areas of like Halt combos.
I cannot see any of the newer naked tanks without any coverage abilities getting much tractions as the offtanks. Defense matrix’s power to shields has always been dependent upon tank count.
This is a reason I would like to see it on a cooldown in the 6v6 test, or at least have a more punishing usage meter, rather than just a reduction to her HP or something.
I’d be very interested in seeing how JQ and Ram fare in 6v6. I really wish we’d had them (especially Ram) in OW1, honestly. I wonder what effect Ram would have had on double shield. And Juno of course.
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It depends upon if he gets to default to 400hp as a bare minimum. The universal hp reduction I think makes 325hp Ramattra way too weak. Especially in a 6v6 where damage output is even higher from the extra player in the team.
Otherwise, he’s a very solid alternative I feel to classic combinations such as Zarya / Rein. He can situationally work in the poke environment since he can play the poke game, but then overwhelm Sigma in close range via pummel over all of his defenses.
I think he’d get a noticeable upgrade in 6v6 where his generality can be applied with assistance from say another tank. I am not entirely convinced JQ fairs as well. I think she’d be overshadowed by better combos.
I think I’m just gonna wait and see how it plays out. I like theorizing, but if we’re gonna experience it soon anyway, there really isn’t much point lol
