Fixing Nano-Blade

(Inspired by a random post here, cant recall)

  • Slash damage down to 70 (-36%)
  • Time between slashes reduced by 35%

Now Nano-blade requires a dash + 2 slashes to eliminate a non-healed target with 200HP and 3 slashes minimum to do the same naked, now the TTK goes up a significant amount on both of them really,

Since u cant Dash > Slash anymore, it also takes away its one shot capability.

But most importantly it increases it by a pretty significant amount on Nano, and now they have an actual excuse on buffing bk his kit without him being an blade bot.

Why does Genji need a change like this? Is this one of those “he’s killing me and he shouldn’t be able to do that, so nerf him” posts?

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Any nerf to Genji I am all aboard for. The bloated, golden child of OW can get dumpstered for all I care

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More like his ult is way overturned compared to others like Bastion and Symmetra

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Cuz Nano blade is a problematic interaction as you can tell when you get succesfully nano-bladed theres very few ways outa it.

And this change, while also nerfing naked blade, its mostly aimed at making Nano blade alot worse on breakpoints plus gives them some motivation on buffing his normal kit.

Plus i dont like having characters being tied to their ultimates like they are doing rn with the huge Genji nerfs.

Also it just fits, whats more anime than swinging your blade really fast? Imagine this blade + Kitsune rush, some JoJo lvl stuff.

Syms Photon Barrier should do aoe damage to enemies as well as blocking shots. Like it arcs electricity to nearby enemies.

Lets not overbuff character’s ults and instead focus on making their actual kits more viable, Symm’s ult is actually amazingly strong (albeit a little boring), just tied to a weak character.

Its a big part of why i even made this thread.

The biggest problem with Genji isn’t even his nano blade tho, it’s his braindead faceroll alt fire that is so wide and strong that it should make Reaper consider using shurikens.

Couple of things here;

  1. Nano-blade is two ultimates, from two different heroes.
  2. The same defenses used to nullify or counter Dragonblade, also work for Nano-blade.
  3. Dragonblade has already seen a damage reduction, going from 180 to 165.
  4. Tweaking Genji, and only Genji, is incredibly short-sighted when it comes to Nanoboosted Dragonblades, as he’s not the biggest beneficiary of Nanoboost.
  5. Substantially harming Genji’s ultimate to make Nanoboost less effective on it, will make Genji worse, rather than trying to balance Nanoboost. As there are more viable targets, and if Genji becomes less effective, then the choices for Nanoboost targets becomes more lucrative for other heroes.

Sounds like it.

You mean how Bastion’s ultimate can do up to 1800 damage while Dragonblade’s maximum damage is 770?

Sym is actually not that weak. She just needs a buff to her turrets (health and damage, mostly health). And she’ll be just fine.

Dude when it had unlimited ammo it still wasn’t killing anyone. Plz don’t make clearly bad faith arguments.

Thats more than a couple things :joy:

Lets tacke them.

I know, doesnt make breakpoints breaking any less problematic, same thing happened with Dragonstrike, funnily enough considering the deepest lore.

It doesnt fully work on Nano-Blade though, they do work though but they often are like a tie (Beat) or gets actually countered by a Smart enough Gengu (Trans) that know they can one-shot.

I think hes up there though, because Nano-boost boosts your dmg+resistance, not your movement speed, and thats basically what he lacks, since hes so fast on blade but cant really kill things fast enough or just dies cuz he doesnt have enough survivability.

It will, thats why i think it should be done, so that his kit is open to be buffed, basically moving him away from this broken synergistic Blade-botting playstyle, wich i think is boring.

It aint it, though his phrasing is so open its partially true, yes, hes killing me(and others), no he shouldnt , ya.

Shes pretty weak though, she aint useless but weak nonetheless, its all i said.

Bastion’s ultimate never had unlimited ammo. And it did kill targets; 205 damage is substantially. Bastion won games in OWL, too.

What happened with Dragonstrike? It has never seen a damage increase or decrease. If you’re talking about whether it can be damage-boosted or not anymore, it is irrelevant. It is still the most powerful ultimate, by damage, in the game.

Yes it does. Sleep Dart still works, Sound Barrier still works, Transcendence still works. Earthshatter still works. Charge still works. Hook still works. Rocket Punch still works. BOB still works. EMP/Hack still works.

Nanoboost is largely enables Dragonblade because of its damage-resistance. But there are better targets for Nanoboost both by damage and by resistance. Nanoboosted Barrage, Death Blossom, Artillery, Junker Queen, Reinhardt, Orisa, and Tactical Visor are all bigger benefits.

And Dragonblade’s transformation does offer a speed-boost so Nanoboost doesn’t need to give him one, or anyone else anymore. And Lucio and Junker Queen can both provide extra, or Kiriko’s ultimate.

He doesn’t need buffs, though. He’s fine as is with the recent damage tweaks.

It aint irrelevant, its the point i’m tryna make, that it was changed thusly because of breakpoint breaking.

Work to a lesser degree, specially because he can just oneshot any of the squishies that try any of that, through Transcendence.

Neither of those were as meta defining after Nano’s speed boost nerf, nor benefit as much of the dmg/resistance as Nano Blade so i disagree.

If he was nerfed this way, he would need compesations to his normal kit is what i meant, and i think thats much more fun than relying too much on a OP ult, or a OP combo. (looking at you Kitsune Rush)

He was talking about the current garbo he poccess, wich had a bug with infinite mortars.

How do you compare Genji to Bastion and Symmetra? They’re three different characters made for three different playstyles.

Of course, I should have known you don’t know what you’re talking about just by reading your first comment.

Your brain’s turned off, so you don’t really have any idea how balance works, do you?

Most tank ults stop it dead in its tracks. Sombra hack can ruin it. The people on here wanted less CC and now that they have it, they act like its Genji’s fault. This is a prime example of two things:

1.) The overwatch community as a whole has no idea what they want. I’ve never seen a community so disorganized in my life.

2.) The Overwatch community as a whole should be ignored by blizzard. Characters should get buffs they need and not the buffs the players wants.

Anime is not an excuse for poor balancing decisions.

They still have to hit a fast moving flying dashing one shotting little guy (Unless its Sombra, dumb design) but its true, i’m not saying its uncounterable, its just overly strong of an combination that holds Genji’s kit hostage.

Aint that just true?

Thats just partially true but yes.

True, but not quite for design decisions when we are talking about the weebiest character in the game.

Have you noticed Tank ults are incredibly forgiving. Its easy to hit Genji with Earth Shatter for example, and even if he jumps or dashes, he’ll still probably get shattered. Same with Orisa’s radial ult, Hog ult, Hamster’s can slow him down a bit, Zarya ult, Sig ult.

Basically, if you’re not trying to stop nano blade, don’t complain about it. Now, I will agree that the rest of the cast don’t really have tools to stop nano blade. I mean, Ana can sleep him, and Sombra hack isn’t what it used to be, but

1.) I think two ults used together should get massive value. It’d be bad game design if it didn’t.

2.) I didn’t ask for the removal of CC, and I think the game is measurably worse without it because now balance is a bit questionable for flankers.

Its true for genji because the alternative is saying “lets massively nerf Genji and make him swing faster and objectively worse because anime”, and that’s just stupid.

It just needs like a second less duration and dragonblade would be fine, IMO. It lasts too long, and especially with the DPS passive, he zips around much faster.

If anything I think we should nerf nano, this would gutter his ult without nano. Bad idea

He still has enough mobility to dodge alot of these and just explode the squishies instead, again, its not even that OP, its just a little OP but thats still enough OP for my books.

Oh but i do try and stop it when i can, not much to be done when ure playing DPS other than Sombra (dumb), or just killing their whole team in a trade (not much of a counter but hey), but on Supp i try and speed out or save beat or something, on tank if i can hit it i try.

I agree, and it still would get massive value even if nerfed this way.

I think the game is overall better for it, specially since CC was tied to the dumbest things ever to hit, like Flash or Bash.

It aint just cuz anime, Anime is the last factor, a small one, the big reason is tryna move him from blade botting wich is gonna happen on the next patch.

That woulndt really solve the Nano’s broken synergies.

It wouldnt though, just kinda, he keeps the same dps but worse TTK overral on 200 HP characters, but then his kit gets open for buffs.