[Feedback Thread Continued] Mercy Updates - Jan 30, 2018

[Plarpoon-2445]

almost any of the suggestions to be fair…

[WildElements-1760]

I disagree. I felt like I could do something with the two instant rezzes during Valkyrie (assuming you saved your one). I’d take that back with a reduced Valkyrie duration, removal of the chain stuff, and giving a lot more healing on her single-target beam. I could at least counter SOME stuff with the instant rezzes.

I would love mass rez back, but half the battle with Valkyrie is the duration (dilutes the ultimate’s power) and the chain nonsense (no prioritization).

[Ares-19991]

Do they still read this thread? There’s so many replies. Just wondering.

[DaftMauS-1668]

Did they ever read this thread?

[Silawatsi-1430]

@Silawatsi-1430

Name one overpowered thing about rez as an ult that couldn’t have been fixed with the right nerf.

• Hide n rez? Nerf it with a LoS limitation (and fix her SR gains).

• Instant cast makes it impossible to stop? Nerf it with a cast time.

• Incentivises “letting” teammates die? Buff it with a burst heal to still-living teammates.
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• Edited in Addendum: Mercy players relying “too much” on rez? Don’t leave rez as Mercy’s only way to make a play. Give Mercy something to do in her base gameplay other than just “heal” and “fly”.

Give Mercy an E she can make plays with - that isn’t rez. It’s almost like Blizzard wants Mercy’s playmaking and general gameplay to revolve around rez.

[Ɠrim-1763]

Lol no, why would blizzard ever read anything that has the word “Mercy” in it?

[itzSalty-1385]

If devs are reading, they aren’t Diving.

[sprite-12678]

@WildElements-1760

I disagree. I felt like I could do something with the two instant rezzes during Valkyrie (assuming you saved your one). I’d take that back with a reduced Valkyrie duration, removal of the chain stuff, and giving a lot more healing on her single-target beam. I could at least counter SOME stuff with the instant rezzes.

The two rezzes would be nice. With a shorter duration, you could use Valk as a comeback ult (two rezzes but shorter heal/boost) or an initiation ult (mostly heal/boost, rezzes for some backup). Does that make sense?

[Roseblite-1958]

@Plarpoon-2445

please do not think i’ve wrote this to go against you

Never even entered my mind. I’m just discussing what I think of your ideas, an you are giving feedback on my thoughts. The way a discussion SHOULD be

Still would like to see it only as a 1 second cast time, simply because 1.75 seconds seems like Blizzard is still punishing ALL healers whether they did “Hide and Rez” or not. An, with it at 1.75 seconds, the DPS would be back to targeting Mercy players heavily so even with free movement it might be a bit too long.

[Racillian-1752]

Check out “Concept time!” at the bottom btw.

@Lithy-2614

I deepheartly hope they will have to realise now that this design is not as good as they thought (indeed it’s bad). Now we have some good names behind complaining too, it’s clear that not only two people are complaining and it’s clear that it’s not a matter of balance anymore. Also, the “play another character” thing seems to have no value with this people, so that’s another good new.

For me this has not been about balance; this has been about rewarding good gameplay of Mercy and providing playmaking that is the reward for good gameplay that shows a good Mercy while those who are not doing so well can see that more clearly because they see that they are not playmaking as much or as well.

@Lithy-2614

I think someone posted that one or two megathreads ago… it will be very hard to search the link, I’m afraid.

Damn maybe Google will help out because I know Blizzard won’t, hehe

@WildElements-1760

I just know that people were complaining about the two instant rezzes during Valkyrie. I don’t think three would fly for a lot of people, especially if they are instant. Trust me, I suggested 2-3 in 8-10 seconds of Valkyrie, but I’ve seen so much adversity for instant rezzes in general.

I know you excluded the damage boost. I did in my suggestion as well. If Blizz wants Mercy healing focused, then they should just leave her damage boost alone. I’m just being cautious overall because we, of course, don’t want to make her OP again.

I think instant Rezzes should not be done at all more for the psychological effect that the concept of opponent just coming back on the ability use. A slight cast time helps to alleviate that psychological effect. However, I think there is another method that could alleviate that psychological effect while allowing a single Rez to be quicker and not work against her mobile concept:

• Have a “Rez Potential” stat appliable to teammates through the regular use of her beams (either one) that charges up, but also decays if when no beam is applied.
• Make Rez an AOE again, but only one time use during her Ultimate (actually just make this Ultimate).
• Allow the AOE Rez to bring back any teammate who has “Rez Potential” ie multiple people brought back but once used that’s it for that fight no more uses.
• Condense (i.e. trim down what it does) the playmaking potential that Valk could have into an “E” ability.

There’s more but I’ll leave it at that for this part of the post >>> see the end for the entire idea (I’ve been rehashing it for a while now.

@Lithy-2614

Tbh I believe that Mercy is focused enough on healing/boosting. They are her basics, so she will use them more than rez. The problem I see is that with valkirie you can make up your skills because you don’t really need to be good to solo heal your team now. If you have valk, you can solo heal your team (of course, if heavy damage is done, you are doomed). That’s why I call valkirie an ez mode. I think that should be sacrificed for her own good, because good Mercys should be easily differentiated of average ones. Having an ability that allows you to make up that is not good.

That’s a lot of the problem with Valkyrie is that it takes away from good play on Mercy, makes up for poor play while diminishing playmaking potential.

@Lithy-2614

The point if we would have to keep valk I think should be giving her more power to her rez and unitarget beams and sacrificing her chained beams, or reducing a lot her secondary beams.

That being said, I still would prefer rez as her ult and another E ability, valk or not.

I think Rez should go back the Ultimate as Rez is most meaningful and risky when it could turn a fight if used at the right time. I think Rez however needs more “prep work” to make possible, so that it is more rewarding towards active Mercy play rather than passive play.

@Hauven-2768

Well, I think it’s potentially a promising/good sign that EeveeA’s thread hasn’t been moved here yet. That usually happens once every day, sometimes twice a day, and it still hasn’t been moved as yet. I hope they are taking Mercy into consideration now, even if they don’t respond here or in that thread for some time still.

Hopefully it doesn’t for Blizzard’s sake because I think that will not be good PR for them if that happened, but it would be Meme worthy in a bad way.

@sprite-12678

I guess since they listen to streamers’ opinions and such (not saying that’s always a bad thing), more and more prominent players are coming and speaking about Mercy. This is a good step

I certainly hope we start going in a direction of more rewarding Mercy gameplay for being in the fight rather than away from it.

@Macster-11267

Won’t change whether it’s instant or not. Still going to be boring and lacklustre.

Yeah I don’t believe that a single instant Rez makes it any less lacklustre because it’s still focusing individual play instead of team play.

@QuizzyBunny-2512

I’ve tried to be fair by handing out both buffs and nerfs to various aspects of her kit.

I think you have been fair, but I as I see it Rez is most impactful in feeling when AOE and also is more encouraging of team play over individualized play (i.e. teammates going it alone and as well as weakening dive).

@Brawl-2310

it feels like you have no impact on the fight.

Hopefully the concept below provides good engagement in the fight even more so than the Old Resurrect did.

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Concept time!

Rez rewards active play better, but is weaken by or made impossible by passive play especially including “Hide n’ Rez”. Valkyrie becomes an “E” ability that still has benefits, but also trade-offs and has its duration reduced.

Resurrect on “Q”:

• Teammates who are being healed or damage boosted also gain “Rez Potential” (I like to call it “Angelic Protection” since it charges in manner like health restored does).
• “Angelic Protection” decays when a teammate is not being healed or dmg boosted and decays faster if a teammate is not within 15 meters of Mercy.
• “Angelic Protection” must be charged to 70% for a teammate to have “Rez Potential”.
• Short cast time of 1 second.

Angelic Protection:

• Core to this concept to make the Resurrection Ultimate more engaging to prepare for it use.
• Works to prevent “Hide n’ Rez” being a viable strategy (not that it was good strategy to win with anyway).
• The idea is to maintain Rezzability on as many teammates as possible if you so chose to while providing your regular healing and boost.
• How it works:
  – 150 health Teammate has a max Angelic Protection “pool” of 150 points
  – In other words, a teammate’s regular Health Bar is the same as the number of Angelic Protection Points they can have.
  – A teammate needs 70% Angelic Protection points to be Rezzable
  – A 150 health teammate needs 105 AP points to be Rezzable
  – A 600 health teammate needs 420 AP points to be Rezzable
  – Angelic Protection charges at a rate of 45 AP points per second
  – Angelic Protection decays at a rate of 20 AP points per second within the 15 meter range
  – Angelic Protection decays at a rate of 40 AP points per second outside the 15 meter range

Valkyrie on “E”:

• 7 seconds duration that can be ended early, 25 second cooldown.
• Provides 30% damage reduction.
• Provides flight
• Provides lengthen beam (reduced from 30 meters to 20 meters).
• Disables Regeneration (hence the reason to end it early).
• Increased Blaster Rate of fire (double edged sword since it will drain the ammo clip faster causing a reload delay).
• Blaster Projectile speed maintained
• Removed chained beams
• Removed unlimited ammo

The idea is to provide a push-pull in between “Rez Potential” (aka Angelic Protection) and safety primarily through Valk on “E”. If you go to far from your team they rapidly lose “Angelic Protection” therefore you want to remain as close to your team as possible and keep applying your healing or boost around as much of the team as possible during the fight to keep “Angelic Protection” charged to the necessary level to allow teammates to be Rezzed if they are overrun by damage.

I think this makes for a much more rewarding and active gameplay for Mercy while also making her more exposed to the enemy to allow them the chance to shut her down.

[Deathsinger-11157]

I’m suprised EeveeAs’ thread is still up after a whole day with 500+ posts. Usually if Mercy is even mentioned it’s almost instantly thrown here after a couple hours into the megathread . It’s weird, bad forum publicity if they did maybe ?

[Nicolas-23149]

@GreyFalcon-11737

Valkyrie isn’t zero-brain mode.

But what it does besides an instant res? Still res would be one/30s. Flying? And normal healing/boosting as usual? Doesn’t sound “ultimate” to me.

[Silawatsi-1430]

It still does everything for Mercy (with the chain beams and flight/super regen). Instant rez in valk functionally turns the entire ult into an istant single rez, with the rest being window dressing.

Mercy’s ult has always been rez, right up to the point when they nerfed instarez out of Valkyrie… then Mercy suddenly had no ult at all.

[Halofreak90-2566]

@Roseblite-1958

We can’t get off a current solo Rez 90% of the time with punishing 1.75 seconds cast time.

At what rank? In Plat, I can get at least 60% of my rezzes ‘safely’ while in the enemies’ LoS. If they have to turn more than 15 degrees, you can somewhat safely pull off a rez while in sight. If there’s a team fight going on, provided you’re not in the middle of it, again, rez can be used with a relatively large chance of success.

[Hauven-2768]

I don’t think they can risk it, with a popular and well known streamer it would most certainly cause some bad PR. Some memes and YouTube first come to mind. The worst they can do is leave it alone and just ignore it, although I’m hoping it might have someone’s attention and Mercy may soon be back on the table again.

[Lithy-2614]

I remember we said plenty of megathreads ago that we needed some Mercy streamers giving feedback too in the forums instead of just the Mercy haters crowd. It’s a bit late but at least, maybe, they will start to listen now. I hope so.

@GreyFalcon-11737

How about we keep it simple:

No chain heal
No super regen
Rez is instant during Valkyrie

Result:

Ultimate is impactful.

Valkyrie isn’t zero-brain mode.

The total capabilities of the hero are balanced.

If that’s not enough, add a little extra heal and move speed to Valkyrie until it’s seasoned to perfection.

The problem there is that only one rez can’t make up an entire ultimate. Yes, Resurrect is powerful, but only a single rez, even being instant, is not enough for an ultimate. If you are going to remove the chained beams (I agree with that point) then you should give Mercy more rezzes at very least in order to let her build some game (good plays, being really impactful, you know). 5 charges are not needed, but at very least 2 or 3. She needs the potential to do a tempo rez at least.

Also, take into consideration the fact that rez was the only thing that made valkirie engaging before the nerfs. That’s the only reason why Mercy didn’t limit herself to just fly behind a wall and keep holding M1. By giving more importance to her rez, you would force her to engage (something that we already want).

@Ares-19991

Do they still read this thread? There’s so many replies. Just wondering.

I doubt it a lot. They have been throwing here even trol posts so I think this is more like a trash can than a real feedback megathread.

At least we have EeveeA’s feedback thread now.

@Silawatsi-1430

Give Mercy an E she can make plays with - that isn’t rez. It’s almost like Blizzard wants Mercy’s playmaking and general gameplay to revolve around rez.

That’s interesting, but what would you suggest in that case? It would have to fit with Mercy as a character, of course.

@Racillian-1752

Check out “Concept time!” at the bottom btw.

I’m okay with the main idea but I think it would need some polishment. For example, I see a serious issue with the passive Angelic Protection. It’s good that Mercy needs to be active in order to prevent hide and rez but as you wrote it, Mercy would be forced to sometimes overheal or boost not because the target would be the most appropiate but because the target would lose that buff if she doesn’t keep an eye on it. I’m not sure, but that sounds too messy.

@Deathsinger-11157

I’m suprised EeveeAs’ thread is still up after a whole day with 500+ posts. Usually if Mercy is even mentioned it’s almost instantly thrown here after a couple hours into the megathread . It’s weird, bad forum publicity if they did maybe ?

Probably that’s the main reason they don’t dare to do that. EeveeA is a very popular streamer, and if her post is threw to the trash can like any other’s, a lot of people will rage, and this time the argument of somepeople saying “they are only 2-3 people complaining because they want Mercy OP again, they need to git gut” wouldn’t work. Suddenly Ow’s team would be memeified everywhere, and that’s something they logically don’t want.

[FutureDoctor-11910]

There is nothing wrong with mercy.

Edit: except for cast time of resurrect.

[Silawatsi-1430]

@Lithy-2614

@Silawatsi-1430

Give Mercy an E she can make plays with - that isn’t rez. It’s almost like Blizzard wants Mercy’s playmaking and general gameplay to revolve around rez.

That’s interesting, but what would you suggest in that case? It would have to fit with Mercy as a character, of course.

I love the idea of a reworked Valkyrie being Mercy’s E ability: a few seconds of free flight, but instead of chain beams Mercy’s beams provide extra buffs to her target.

Valkyrie’s healing would shorten enemy debuff timers, and its damage boost would provide a small movement speed buff - just enough to kite an enemy, or prevent them from doing the same. No more, no less.

The free flight and single-target buffs of Valkyrie would be on a moderately long cooldown, so Mercy would constantly be faced with a bunch of choices on how to best use it:

• Should Mercy use the flight to get to safe position on high ground, and heal from there?
• Or should she save the mobility for escaping danger when no teammates are around to fly to?
• Should Mercy primarily use it for the buffs, and save it so she can bail out a teammate in specific times of crisis?
• Which ally would need these buffs the most?
• Who’s the biggest cc/close range threat on the battlefield, should Mercy save valk specifically to counter them with the buffs it provides?

Mercy was designed to be the “pure support”, but any other hero in the game has at least two ways to make a play with their base kit alone. Why not make Mercy’s specialties single target healing and buffs?

Buffing teammates is a very “pure support” thing to do, and Mercy already has a bit of that in her kit with her damage boost. Best of all, the keen planning and high stakes split-second decision making that people loved about mass rez is brought into Mercy’s base kit.

(there’s also the fact that cc is on the rise in this game, with no clear counters in sight. Zarya has her bubbles, but they’re best saved for blocking damage instead of cc)

[Phyrolis-2362]

I think at this point theres no reason for me to keep “fighting” for Mercy anyway. All I wanted was a revert. Sure being overpowered in the rework was fun, but so not healthy for the game. I enjoyed Mercy for what she once was and since Im never gonna get it back even without immunity frames I just dont care.

I will keep playing her when I need to sure since her base kit hasnt been changed, but at this point I hope to god Blizzard doesnt nerf Moira too because she is the only other thing I find enjoyable.

That said Im just tired of “giving feedback” that will end up not matter because “we never revert” or repeating the same stuff over and over and over until something happens that I still didnt ask for.

Mercy will never be the same and they arent changing her back to what she used to be because “Reviving her entire team was silly hue hue” even if this was proven wrong countless times.

Im just not interested in Mercy feedback, it wont matter at the end of the day…

[AkiraNasuki-2927]

In regards to the World Cup, I wasn’t referring to the summer games but their Pro League World tournament.

Chances are South Korea should win it again, they were winners of the 2016 and 2017 World cup.

But things could change… OWL has been polishing up the Pro league so the US players should be stronger now.

But regardless, so far some of the major changes to support have been around the feedback of the Pro’s that are streamers or were part of the World Cup. Noticeably Ana and Mercy feedback.