Hi. I would much want to see possibility to make workshop mode settings private so only an owner could read and change them, can track that by battletag.
Why would that be needed? Well, I’ll give you an example. I guess most people know this basic shop rpg on lijiang tower map made by unknown author(at least I never heard it’s name, did not try to research that on purpose, though). Back in the days, when workshop was a new thing and we were exploring it with enthusiasm, I saw quite a bunch of servers with modification of this rpg mode, but those was modifications made by some poor minded kids which would allow them to play with unfair advantage that most people did not even notice, very simple modification that would just give them times more money/experience, and in the end I even found most hilarious one where owner would add an aimbot that was made through workshop, pretty primitive thing as well.
So, people actually might need private settings feature alot, not just because they are mean and dont want other people to learn from them or copy parts of their code. Private settings is only a protection from unscrupulous workshop users who could potentially steal something unique and creative just to abuse in any dirty way they could imagine for their ego boosting. And such people are always around, believe me. So basically the idea is that you could still make your mode public, share link to it same way as usual like AG743JKW so people could still copy this line and run servers with these settings but they will not be allowed to change and read what is behind these letters. Reading must not be allowed as well, because with some tiny bit of effort being put in, anyone would still be able to copycat settings manually and get away with it.
Pretty simple feature, I hope to see it being added soon. Cheers.
You could, but i feel like workshops beauty is in sharing gamemodes for people to play with them, i know i myself have copied other gamemodes and editted them a bit to solve some issues they had, or just to give it a unique spin, although i always credit the original author if possible
Boo… This is not the mindset we the work shop devs should have. Open source your ideas / work you will still get that recognition you seem to be looking for.
What if we are not looking for recognition but instead ownership? The people we want protection from probably don’t care about the Workshop and only about their ego boosting.
I could spend all day writing a logical proof on why privatizing a system based on creative expression is bad for the the system as a whole, or I can accept there is no changing your mind via a forum post. Just remember… “parody is the highest form of flattery”. If you find someone has put your ideas/work in their game mode without citing you “take it as a grain of salt not a grand assault”.
I dunno, we have an entire forum based on answering questions, or providing ideas or criticisms that bring up ideas, and yet they don’t have to. If they are the ones answering the questions, I see no recognition or reward other than knowing that you have expanded upon someone’s view on a subject or variety of subjects. It may feel right, too. You act as if ideas won’t spread anymore. Stop over exaggerating the “consequences”.
I am proposing that a logical proof could be written to demonstrate how privatizing a ~non-capitalistic~ system based on creative expression would be harmful the ecosystem of that system.
Again, we aren’t trying to “capitalize” on some great and inaccessible knowledge. If inaccessible, then unrecognizable. You misunderstand our reasons and over exaggerate the consequences.
I dont see how anything in particular could harm an “ecosystem” that is barely alive. Barely alive because of how limited workshop is and how little attention it get from devs. A workshop where anyone can copypaste within one click what you been working on for days(months?) could never possibly be a healthy community, or how you say, ecosystem. You already can find any possible code in public access to learn how the things are done, but it seems that those who are against private settings arent looking for learning, they jut want a turnkey solution.
Now this is just moving the goal post. You don’t know why the Workshop is “barely alive” or if it even is “barely alive”. If it is “barely alive”, it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
If you care so much what other players do in their games which you and all of your friends can completely avoid, a strong introspect to such idiosyncrasy is highly suggested.
No, I do know why it is barely alive. More than that, I stated it in the post above. What it does have to do with the topic is that some people apparently think that private settings could harm the community which barely breathes already. Not sure if you only read the last post of the discussion or I need to clarify such simple things. Why workshop is in a bad state is due to few things. Firstly, it is terribly limited on its own, in terms of available scripts, effects, sounds, no possibility to create any custom geometry (clip textures), no possibility to make custom visuals, no possibility to work with more than basic 5 buttons and so on. The other thing why no serious game modes being released is basically that you dont have options to keep rights for your intellectual property, because as soon as you release your game mode it in instant becomes noone’s property that everyone can freely disassemble and use for own purposes, which oftenly becomes some dirty grotesque bs. Most of dedicated creators who have tiny bit of self respect would not waste tens of hours for such outcome, you can clearly see this by how dead is the workshop forum alone.
Even if it would be dead, it’s still a non-sequitur.
If you know that the Workshop is dead and how it came to be, how to fix it and care about it, you should be writing these messages through a more formal channel to Blizzard.
You can ignore all lobbies, you can never publish your code, you and your friends can only play in friends / invitation privacy.
If you care what other people in their private lives do, while it has no effect on you; again, you should be looking inwards, not outwards.
I am not aware of more formal channels, I dont know why you think forum is a wrong one. I cant care less about what people do in their private lives, they can dance naked in woods all day long, I would not give a damn. I do not also know why likes of you find it necessary to spend their time on fighting against someone’s right to keep their intellectual property, genuinely I dont know what your interest is in this. I do not ask for everyone’s settings being force-private, you can keep them the way you want, I dont care. But I prefer to have an option for myself to have full control over what I make.