Hot damn that’s disgusting.
You’re talking like there’s no court anymore, when it’s just gone digital.
But yeah I’m sure we should totally take what you say into account, you’ve just been going around the forums acting like this is all just sooooo unfair to Sinatraa. Definitely not telling at all.
I think this is all anyone really needs to know about your opinion, frankly.
It really is, though.
Because of the “believe victims” shtick, people have misinterpreted it as to blindly believe victims.
Also boo flipping hoo, you don’t like that I’m not a mindless zombie supporting the woman over the man? I’m sorry, but I’ve said this before.
I’ve seen this happen way too many times to fall into the same trap again.
It happened to Nairo. It happened to ProJared. And like someone said earlier, it happened to that Boston player.
I would not be surprised if it was happening here.
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You yourself admitted she had ‘damning evidence’. This is not a case of ‘people blindly believing victims’, that is you being triggered and projecting your issues onto a case where a woman has damning evidence against her abuser, by your own admission, and yet you still want people… to just not see the evidence? What, exactly do you want?
Honestly I don’t care, you’ve shown that you cannot reliably interpret reality and then express opinions that are fair to others, you’re a self proclaimed hypocrite and seem proud to be willfully ignorant of the nonsense you’re pulling.
It’s not a ‘trap’ to believe a woman when she has piles of evidence about what happened to her, that’s just logic. You sound like one of those morons defending Chris Brown after he beat the crap out of Rhianna. Absolutely pathetic.
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I’d rather not believe either incorrectly. Both crimes, and rather disgusting ones at that.
You made a point about silence being a contributor to oppression, but equally supporting a wrong party in their heinous acts contributes to the propagation of those acts. If men stopped being crucified as soon as a woman accuses them then women would stop making false allegations in order to destroy men, and we could spend all of our energy on the real allegations which get swept under the rug.
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I also said it isn’t considerably damaging.
It’s essentially a sex tape, where she only posted a snipit of it, whereas Sinatraa is letting the investigators see it in full. If he were completely guilty, he would NOT be that confident. I don’t see this as a reluctant decision, either.
Firstly, I’m not triggered about anything. I don’t care about the situation or the people behind it. If this were about two completely different people, I would still be here fighting for indifference. I also never said (or at least I didn’t intend to imply) for people not to see the “Evidence”. I said to remain vigilant, and think about how nothing is confirmed or completely verified.
Leaning far into one side or the other entraps people in what I like to call false sympathy. In which you’re sympathizing for someone or something that is not yet confirmed to be true. Just because there is a possibility of this being a “poor woman” who’s calling out “her abuser”, does not mean it is.
Good lord, can you stop with the woman/man card? This isn’t about gender. This isn’t about sex. This is about so-called victims, and the accused. I don’t give a damn what man did what to some woman. I do give a damn about the fact people are using the victim’s sex as a sympathy card.
If the sexes were reversed I severely doubt you’d be going against Sinatraa as strongler as you are now.
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If a man came out with an audio file of him saying ‘no’ and being assaulted in the same way, I certainly would feel the same. Literally no one of any gender deserves to be raped or assaulted. Is that honestly so surprising? Your assumptions are a 100% you problem, projecting your own issues onto the situation, and clouding your judgment.
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Woah woah woah, my own issues??
Okay, what do you think are “my own issues”?
I think they’re very clear for anyone reading our interaction to see, and not my problem to lay them out for you. I already summarized them in other posts, anyway. You can leave me alone now, I’m not sure if you’re just a bad person or a troll, but either way I’m sure you’ll get upset and flag the crap out of my posts and that’ll be that. Have a good one.
What happens when they’re lying? Unfortunately, you aren’t living in utopia. People lie and there are psychopaths.
I don’t want to go into full details but my mother’s entire family got messed up after both of her elder brothers got married to two of the most toxic women I know. But guess what, they’re still married to this day because those are messed up families.
In my case, back in 2009, one of my cousins accused of tons of things which weren’t true. People believed her instead of the dude. It turned out as you’d expect.
I’d agree that in a lot of scenarios women can’t get justice. But there are also occurrences when people wear sunglasses made of steel and they can’t see.
I’m sorry but I won’t believe in allegations without knowing both sides’ story. It’s my personal belief but it’s not up to me to decide who’s right and who is wrong. My belief doesn’t and won’t affect the actual outcome either.
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Sorry. I’m not a troll.
I don’t flag things I don’t like to see.
But I don’t like to see things that pertain to me that are not explained.
So, please. Lay them out.
Yeah lies happen, but statistically they are very rare; and also, it’s not like we’re basing our judgment on a purely circumstantial, he said she said situation. She literally offered up multiple piece of evidence, text messages, and an audio file of herself being assaulted. Is that really where you’re going to go ‘Hmm but I just don’t believe her’ for some reason? Or are you going to see that she has evidence and then use THAT information to form an opinion?
Honestly I don’t think we’re at a stage where someone just saying something is enough anymore; it’s been weaponized publicly by unscrupulous people and it’s losing momentum. But that is different from this, she has provided ample evidence that we can all see with our own eyes. At that point you are simply saying “Yes I see you have proof, but I don’t care, I’d rather believe ‘nothing’ as a way to disbelieve what I see with my own eyes and give room for the accused to be innocent in my own mind, because that is what I prefer.” Which is a personal call that every man has to make for himself, but… YIKES.
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They both have the identical evidence, but she only released tiny snippets to the public that heavily favor her accusation. While he released said evidence in full and to the proper authorities and isn’t trying to drag her name through the mud.
The way she handled this only makes her look bad.
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Except that if you were in his shoes you wouldn’t have any other option except not release anything to the public because it could easily turn against you and make your situation even worse. The intelligent thing to do is keep your mouth shut and lawyer up. Basically, you’re praising him for having a three digit IQ.
Heck, we don’t even know if he is just pretending to be confident. We don’t know if really has evidence to defend himself. He could have, but he could just be putting a “lol no” façade to protect his public image at all costs.
Not praising him, just saying that he followed the correct process whereas this lady chose to use snippets and public opinion before going anywhere near the cops about the matter. There’s due process and she did not follow it.
Of course the person accused would release the full evidence, it’s not like they would want to defend their accuser by with-holding it? Unless they were mentally insane and just wanted wanted a free pass to jail.
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Can’t you see the problems of releasing a sex video to the entire public lol? Even if the video has proof of his innocence, releasing it would destroy his public image even more.
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Yeap. Good thing he didn’t need to release it publicly to start disputing the accusation! Legal processes exist and thankfully they’re now being followed, by both parties.
Disagree. It’s much more dangerous when everyone speaks out as it puts this into Court of Public Opinion where freedom of speech is limited and the world becomes a toxic dump of hatred and infighting. Kind of like every election cycle.
We live in an era where the internets will take one side and those not agreeing with the masses will risk being canceled, hence their own freedom of speech is suppressed.
Better everyone just keeps it to a minimum and hope the truth wins, it’s justly taken care of, and everyone involved can move on with their lives.
These accusations are strong, but there are far more people out there going through the same thing (or waaay worse) and don’t get the same attention. So I say no need to explode the universe over this 1 situation.
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What I believe in or anyone believes in doesn’t matter. I have had encounters with world class a-holes of same nature. I’ve cut my connections with them over last several years after realizing what was happening.
If you ask me about this specific scenario? She made a TikTok video. If you’re in her place, would you?
Then comes another thing. She tweeted out that after she released the audio clip, Sinatraa’s current girlfriend reached out to her to say she’s sorry. But Cleo forgives her.
What exactly the girl in this case do to require her forgiveness?
Go through the document again. There are several occasions where she acts as if the dude is the pinnacle of human evolution and she was treating him as a god. Hyperbole but that’s the point.
Back to something else. Remember I said I cut off connections with people similar to Sinatraa? One of the guys I knew always had a diferent girlfriend on a monthly basis. While the girls were different, they shared something in common.
They wanted to be the the guy because he had access to resources and social status. Although they knew what was going on, it’d be same thing repeatedly.
There’s a lot of things in real life along with human psychology that none of these sympathizers will understand because it’s easy to be the white knight online. Everyone over internet act as if they have ironclad morality. They act as if they never did something wrong in their lives.
While the entire relationship was a toxic one, I don’t really know what anyone like me or you can do. I guess I’m different in the sense that I don’t really care what people over internet thinks of me. But others can be different and I don’t have problem with that.
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If this was Reddit or Steam… I would award you.