Never 
if only it were true.
All tanks have a huge hitbox so thatâs not a real downside.
Her crit hitbox is not easy to hit because you have to be facing her in order to hit it, you cant headshot from behind like you can with other tanks, and if you are facing her she can D matrix or shoot back at you.
Beam damage isnât enough when there is only one viable beam hero
the ult is a second life, far from mediocre
anything else or can we all agree that Dva is good and needs nerfs?
Emongg admits DVA is broken right now and needs a matrix nerf. 3.5 seconds is too long.
About time.
Also you can double that with proper resource management.
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She was b-tier AFTER the buffs but before the tank patch where every single tank was buffed. You keep failing to understand extremely simple concepts.
Not an easy matchup. The fact that you think it is shows how little you understand. Youâre opinion can safely be disregarded. Heck you think Sigma is a brawl tank so Iâm pretty sure you know very little about this game.
Winston for example
I donât personally think so but Iâve seen people argue as much. Iâve definitely seen my fair share of Ball is OP threads and they almost always sound like your thread here about D.Va.
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So technically she is balanced overall by zaraya mommy.
But even against hitscan projectile unless you play things like widow ashe etc most dps can deal dmg to her a lot as long as you know how to off angle properly with support los or play mobility heroes.
She is still overturned against non beam cast but most tanks are overtuned against everyone.
Okay and that warranted more buffs why though?
Youâre dodging the question.
Oh one tank.
So every Dva match should devolve i to Dva vs Zarya?
Thatâs not fun at all.
Every single tank got buffs even the A-tier ones that were above D.Va. You want 11 out of 12 tanks to get buffs? And the one that you want to be left out is B-tier while several A-tier ones get buffs?
Make it make sense
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The fact that you are defending DVA of all people shows how little you understand.
If a person has only one REAL counter, and can be countered by numerous other bad heros, then they are a REAL problem.
Dva only needs to worry about Zarya. Winston could be an issue if he focuses Dva, but a good Winston will focus the Squishies, not a Dva.
Theyre a DvA main. Why wouldnt they? Could you try being less of a troll when you argue poorly? K thanks 
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Youâre being obtuse. Tanks have to worry about the whole matchup. Winston vs D.Va isnât in D.Vas favor. He can go for your Squishies. You canât peel because you canât break his bubble and get through his armor before he has leap again. And you canât deny his damage. He can peel because his bubble can block your heals and your damage and his weapon cleaves through armor.
It only used to go in D.Vas favor because her weapon was enough to counter Winston. But since the armor changes that no longer is the case. And his buff to his primary ignoring armor didnât help either.
Doom is also a difficult matchup for D.Va. Hog is too whenever heâs strong. And a lot of matchups are pretty neutral like into Sigma.
What is a GOOD tank matchup for D.Va now where she is actually favored not neutral or unfavored? Mauga, Orisa⌠Maybe Queen or Ball⌠Thatâs about it.
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Not as much as Dva.
Like dude. That was part of the question.
Rein was F tier Ball was pretty good.
Sigma needed a bit, but he was dping fine, he was better without adding to the pool of one shots, especially offensive since its on a tank rather than a DPS.
Doom needed a bit to make him less of a thtow pick of an oppressive monster based on player skill gap.
Zarya was fine but obnoxious now kore then ever, but they reverted the nerfs they did on her so no complaint there. It helps her keep up with the other tanks.
Orisa just got reverted just to keep up with other tanks.
Queenâs own was more of a quality of life weâve been asking for a long long time.
Dva needed a little, not a boost to her entire kit. Theyâve been buffing her how many times now. Donât believe me? Check the patches. She hasnât had a single compensation nerf.
ofc their a Dva main, thatâs why its funny 
He is a counter sure, but not as big of a counter as Zarya. The problem with Winston vs Dva is that 1: his weapon, though it can go through armor, does too little damage to get through the chunk of health that Dva has, and 2: Winston shouldnât want to get close to Dva because Dva can do much more up close damage, meaning the only way for him to really engage a Dva is with shield. and if said Dvas team is competent, that shield shouldnât exist for long.
but her weapon is enough to counter him. no one can stay up close to Dva for long, especially a tank with a big hitbox. which is why Zarya is a good counter, not too bit a hotbox, can go through the insanity of Defense matrix, and can shield herself.
Doom is a fine matchup, but not a difficult one, unless the doomfist a really good. But that would be the case against anyone who poorâs tons of time into one hero, learning all the tricks. Most matchups are âneutralâ on paper, but in practice being able to eat pretty much all projectiles really narrows that neutral matchup list. Sigma is fine against Dva sure, but heâs not good against her. The only tank thatâs really good against her is Zarya.
Rein, SIgma, Ball, Mauga, Queen, Ori, Doom, and all other tanks but Zarya, and sometimes Winston if he really knows how to play Winston.
Dude⌠Thatâs a habanero spicy take. Zarya and Ram got buffed so hard they actually emergency fixed them. And Rein is actually A-tier now. Just because your pet Ball didnât get buffed a ton doesnât mean others didnât.
He didnât. He was already A-tier before his buff.
Rein was also b-tier before the buffs. Nobody had him in f-tier like nobody.
Ball is tricky because heâs so hard to play well. A ball main who knows what theyâre doing was S-tier but your average ball player was probably C-tier.
He wasnât a throw pick. Ironically I think he was doing better on the tier list before the tank patch because his buff didnât really address his core issues.
Zarya was fine. She was also solid b-tier just like D.Va but she got buffed to the sky so hard they nerfed her. Now even after her nerfs sheâs an easy A-tier IMO.
Orisa got the wrong changes. She isnât good. Probably the only tank that legitimately isnât good.
Queens changes were massive but Reinâs and Zaryaâs were bigger. So there are better brawl tanks but make no mistake that sheâs still very strong.
She got 2 buffs. ONLY TWO
- Matrix from 3 to 3.5 seconds. This one surprised me.
- Micro missiles explosion damage from 4 to 5.5 which makes it total from 126 to 153 damage if every single missile is a direct hit. She needed this and itâs a whooping 27 extra damage every 7 seconds.
You keep trying to include buffs from previous patches but you arenât doing this for any of the other tanks. You are basically lying, repeatedly. I can never trust you again because now I see you donât argue honestly.
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A counter is still a counter. Iâm not arguing degrees of counter. Nerfâs argument is that D.Va counters every tank except Zarya. That simply isnât true.
Would you believe that it does more than D.Vaâs primary fire does against armor? Because it actually does. D.Va can do more with headshots, but body shots into Winstonâs backside actually do less than his weapon until heâs out of armor. Donât believe me, go do the math.
He doesnât fear D.Va. He just jumps the supports and she canât do much.
It isnât anymore. Thatâs what Iâm trying to get you to understand. Thatâs actually why she got these buffs recently. Believe it or not they were specifically because of Winston.
A good Doom can make D.Vas life hell. Do you know how frustrating it is to go for remech and get punched out of it or to have boosters cancelled by punch or micro missiles cancelled by punch? And you canât DM punch or slam either.
And sheâs not good against him either. Thatâs why I said itâs neutral.
No like I said Doom and Hog are both good into D.Va typically.
Honestly this response is laughable. Go ask any good D.Va main and theyâll tell you that you are wrong here. Even you admitted Sigma was neutral so you arenât even being consistent. And frankly, I donât think D.Va is good into Rein anymore either. Itâs very map dependent. On Kings Row do you really think D.Va has a good chance against Rein there?
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Itâs like this. For 3.5 seconds I can eat everything with matrix. Literally everything. And in that time I can kill a squishy blindfolded. Then I fly off and kill the next squishy. If their tank chases me I just fly away. If they cc me I let my thousands of ehp save me and fly away.
There is absolutely zero the enemy team can do to a smart Dva. Zarya, ok, whatever I just fly away. Sym, lol, please. Sombra, yawn. I hop from squishy to squishy all game and make their lives miserable. Doesnât matter what support or DPS hero they pick, itâs no contest.
And most importantly, defense matrix lasts for 3.5 seconds, but itâs metered and only takes 6 to fully charge. Even a half decent Dva will ALWAYS have it available. Boosters last 2 seconds and take 3 to cooldown. Again, a half decent Dva will ALWAYS have it available.
Meanwhile, Iâm diving ya know, Ana, who has 1 cc that sleeps me for 3 seconds with a 14 second cooldown. I can use matrix, missiles and flight 2 to 3 times before most of the squishes get their cooldowns back.
Itâs comically unbalanced. Bottom line, dps and supports simply canât interact with Dva. If she sets her sights on you, and you donât have a tank attached to your hip youâre totally screwed.
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Can you eat symm, zarya or moira beam? Can you eat reinâs hammer? Can you eat sigma rock?, can you eat a whole punching doom?
Can you eat ball rolling at you? Can you eat Rein pin?
Just for that alone your opinion is null and should be ignored for future references
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ok sure, if that were an argument I had heard I would agree with you. But I have never heard that argument, so here we are. Dva is better than most tanks, she doesnât have to be a direct counter for that to be true. I would rather have a Dva on my team than a Winston, and against a Dva I donât want my teammate to go Winston, I want him to go Zarya.
I would believe that, the only difference is that Dvas does more damage not against armor, and winston doesnât have as much armor or health as Dva, making it likely for Dva to still kill the Winston.
I never said he did, I said he shouldnât want to get close to Dva. Nobody wants to be close to Dva except maybe Zarya. Winston doesnât fear Dva, but its not like he wants to be right by her.
It still is, especially when you factor in support from your team. Iâm sure that if you went into customs, had a Dva and a Winston stand within range of each other, and just shoot, Dva would win 100% of the time.
A good Doom can make anyoneâs life H***. thatâs not a counter.
shes good against him. Itâs not really that neutral, A good Dva should be able to beat a good Sigma pretty consistently.
You said hog was only good against her when heâs broken, thats true, but hog isnât that strong against her unless he is broken, in fact, I would bet on Dva against hog most of the time. As for Doom, any good doomfist is a pain, the same way any good Genji is a pain. Neither are that good for a metal ranks player, but they are relatively uncounterable if the Genji or Doom in question has fine tuned their skills for years.
On kings row there should be no Dva, because by code of honor there should be two reins.
but Dva can easily beat a rein. She has more range, better escape, and can eat Reins main source of Ult charge.
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If you read my post youâd know this question is pointless. But you do you, if you insist on battling it out with a Zarya as Dva then youâre going to lose. Instead fly around and kill anything that isnât Zarya. Itâs honestly that simple.
And you mention Sym and Moira, dude, come on, thatâs sliver level stuff and not really a valid problem for Dva. Youâre really claiming Dva doesnât have the ehp to handle Moira, a 60dps character? Really? Iâd be embarrassed to admit that tbh.
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You said that before and claim you struggle against other tanks not just Zarya.
So which is it?
A me issue or a you issue.
Make up your mind.