Sigma
Double nerfing his shield may be a tad overboard, but it doesn’t make him feel any different to play. Now where i feel Sigma needs a change is in Kinetic Grasp the fact that it cant be cancelled to gain your shields sooner is not a good feeling. I know you guys understand this its why genji was allowed to cancel deflect at will.
Literally, if this change goes through then I am no longer tanking maining him, and that’s a lot of wasted time. I’ll stick solely to Zarya, and dont bother asking for a “shield tank”. Orisa is boring AF, and Rein is everyone’s pincushion.
Yep. After many people asked for buffs, they instead nerf them even more
Laughable
It may be just my tiredness, but I’m having an unusually hard time finding the purpose and consequences of these changes through reading about them. I can’t say what the Pharah and Hog changes are supposed to achieve; the changes to Orisa and Sigma are certainly limiting their effectiveness but I don’t think it hits where it should (i. e. Barrier synergy); the hit to Brigitte’s healing seems overly harsh (and limiting her health is a significant hit too, though how significant remains to be seen) and I’m not quite sure whether Zenyatta’s change hits the right spot either. Oh, and the reduction of Halt!'s radius seems huge too.
The best thing about this thing, though, is that it really got me thinking about what could be changed about Sigma and Orisa that wouldn’t hugely affect their indidvidual performance, but would reduce the synergy of their Barriers - or the heroes themselves. The best I can come up with right now is to introduce some gaps in the combined Barriers’ defenses that wouldn’t be awfully worse when used individually. Before I put any more thoughts up, though, I’ll need to sleep - and actually test the current changes. We’ll see if I can make more sense of this tomorrow night.
The only logic here is:
the devs were essentially high when they made these changes, or
they are internally testing possibly with the next character or new ones for OW 2 and there is some weird synergy at work.
Otherwise, these seem like some of the worst changes in a long time, ngl. Only Syms makes any sense.
It sounds like you believe her bullet speed was increased? This did not happen. Only the halt orb had its speed increased. And this is functionally a nerf as it makes it much harder to time the second mouse click.
My feedback is “This is the worst patch you’ve ever made, and I think if it goes through I’m quitting the game”.
The last six month of patches is frankly destroyed any affection I have for this trainwreck and this would be the end.
Stop telling me I can’t play anyone I enjoy or I’ll lose. STOP IT.
read the patch notes: thoughts- this is the worst patch ever and is worse than the moira buff suggestion.
thougths after playing experimental- blizzard just wants to make people hate them i cant explain it any other way
#Dont_Kill_Pharah_Pls
They should just reduce the duration of kinetic grasp from 2 down to 1.5 or 1 seconds. This promotes using grasp to eat crucial abilities and less use of if to just absorb lots of damage. This reduces increases the max skill of the ability and makes it less effective for lower skill players. I would even be fine if they brought the shield gain down to 40-50%.
Only in the top tiers.
This was during doubleshield meta at the end of last year.
h.t.t.p.s://i.imgur.com/ugilR01.jpg
This was at the end of January, a month after the shield nerfs
h.t.t.p.s://i.imgur.com/FntGBqg.jpg
This is the beginning of march, a month after Orisa’s second batch of nerfs.
h.t.t.p.s://i.imgur.com/7CXrsFu.jpg
This is now
h.t.t.p.s://i.imgur.com/d2Y36OX.jpg
The ones that have been meta for the player base, as in both pick and winrates being completely separate from the rest of the tanks are Reinhardt and Zarya.
DoubleShield?
This is Diamond now.
h.t.t.p.s://i.imgur.com/doyeeSs.jpg
Orisa’s already near the bottom in win rates and pick rates, she’s not meta for 96% of the playerbase. But Rein and Zarya are head and shoulders above everyone else.
DoubleShield is in Grandmaster
h.t.t.p.s://i.imgur.com/A5Sr73a.jpg
And even then, Orisa’s in a bad spot. She’s not on par with the other tanks, she’s just being forced in because they’re copying OWL. For the rest of ladder, she’s a slow tank with paper shields and a giant critbox.
These changes only affected the 1%, doing nothing for the Rein/Zar prison the ladder has been in for this entire year.
I thought so as well until i saw someone demonstrate it… crap.
Is… is this Blizzards idea of making the tanks more like off tanks and “addressing shields?” Because, I don’t see any Rein nerfs… and if you want to make tanks less dependent on shields, you have to make them good at something else.
Instead they just suck at everything.
Like what are you guys even doing? Whose looking at this, and thinking it’s a good idea? This experimental mode is ridiculous. Like, what are you even doing?
Blizzard, no one, not even tank mains want to play tanks. We don’t necessarily need to hold up a 2000 hp barrier to have fun. But we also don’t want to feel weak and useless all match. Maybe think on that and address those problems. Like, I don’t even kow wtf your think your doing with roadhog. I just want to play Dva again, but without throwing. Why is that so much to ask for?
I’ve seen this said 2-3 times but I don’t think that’s the case? projectile speed of halt was increased, not her weapon afaik
How on earth is this a nerf?
because it moves faster so its harder to control
That does not make any sense. It is a buff because as it moves faster it is harder to escape from. Projectile speed buffs only feel weaker for the first day until you get used to them and then you wonder how you ever dealt with the weaker version.
Not necesarily.
if it moves faster, you have less time to right click it to get it to pull people
try it out, you basically have to instantly press Right click to get the halt to pull people near you.
So I would just do that. I would usually rather be using it on people not right on top of me anyway (as unless they are barrier dancing I can just shoot them) and usually as a set up for things such as rock and Sig ult which it is better at now (also for putting out of position people in a hole which it is also better at now).
thats…the issue here…now you have no tools to defend yourself once they rush you…less HP…still a terrible barrier…a nerfed fortify…less damage.
every aspect of her kit got nerfed except her ult
I don’t think this is the patch that Jeff was talking about based on this comment:
They admit these are just number adjustments, not a big shift in how tanks function.